Adios europe, hello Islam!?

[MD]

No. The demographics/population changes involved would have to be staggering. Muslims are a minority in the EU and that won't change anything soon. here's some figures to give you an idea.

UK.
(2011 Census)
Christian (59.5%)
Islam (4.4%)

Germany
(2011 Census)
Christian (61%)
Islam (5%)

European Union
Catholic 48%
Protestant 12%
Orthodox 8%
Other Christian 4%
Islam 2%

Actually 10% of all babies now born in the UK are Muslim and that number is projected to grow. If you follow current trends, projections would show that Islam will become a majority in Europe within a few generations.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Actually 10% of all babies now born in the UK are Muslim and that number is projected to grow. If you follow current trends, projections would show that Islam will become a majority in Europe within a few generations.

Show us the source and the math.

 

[MD]

Show us the source and the math.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...utnumber-actively-worshipping-Christians.html
http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/wp-content/uploads/sites/9/2013/06/14_pew.jpg

The TFR for Muslims is 3.0 and the TFR for non muslims is 1.8. That means with every generation the Islamic population grows by a factor of 1.5 and the non Islamic population falls by a factor of 1.2. Throw in refugees and immigration and the process is sped up.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

The TFR for Muslims is 3.0 and the TFR for non muslims is 1.8. That means with every generation the Islamic population grows by a factor of 1.5 and the non Islamic population falls by a factor of 1.2. Throw in refugees and immigration and the process is sped up.

See here and drop the yellow-peril narrative. The sky is not falling. Honest.

 

[Ouroboros]

That is a possibility, but it does open an opportunity to educate and expand the minds of the next generation. Here is to hoping.

Agree.

 

[Jeremy Taylor]

I am a traditional conservative and have a lot of respect for traditional Islam. Give me a traditional Muslim over an atheist or agnostic anytime. I am not especially convinced Islam will become the major religious grouping of any European nation any time soon. I do, though, sometimes find the attitudes of left-liberals on Islam perplexing and inconsistent. I don't know that a Muslim majority or even very sizeable minority (say 25%+) in a European nation would mean a strongly theocratic government, but I do think it extremely likely that it would mean a more morally conservative government and one a little less acceptable to left-liberals.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...utnumber-actively-worshipping-Christians.html
http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/wp-content/uploads/sites/9/2013/06/14_pew.jpg

The TFR for Muslims is 3.0 and the TFR for non muslims is 1.8. That means with every generation the Islamic population grows by a factor of 1.5 and the non Islamic population falls by a factor of 1.2. Throw in refugees and immigration and the process is sped up.

With Germany having the largest Muslim population in Europe, and yet it's only just over 5% of the population, I don't think there is much to worry about. Atheists, Agnostics, and other non-religious affiliated make up about 20% of the US population, and that group is virtually powerless when it comes to the political process.

 

[groves200]

Xenophobic bigotry, while technically not 'racist', is no more acceptable.
A Muslim? One? Out of 1.6 billion? Seriously?

Label it as you like. An yes, one.. But his statement was logical and anyone with half a brain could figure out what he said was realistic so 1 or 1 million either way it's true. While were on numbers, only takes 1 person to kill hundreds or 1 person to convince others in to terrorism or 1 person to,... and so on. Sometimes one is enough you know?

 

[groves200]

In America and Europe, Muslims commit fewer acts of terrorism, and it is other domestic groups that commit the majority of acts of terrorism. Groups like the Animal Liberation Front and Earth Liberation Front, according to the FBI and even "experts" on terrorism, pose the greatest domestic threat in the West.

Animal liberation front? Earth liberation front? they have suicide bombers too? can't say I was aware of that.. have they shot anyone recently? You totally skipped my point with Sweden not experiencing terrorism until muslim immigration and I'm not so sure about France, were they Muslims who shot some people over a cartoon? It was Muslims who blew up the bus in london, right? we are talking about this decade.

 

[Lyndon]

Groves conveniently ignored the state sponsored terrorism of the US and Allied military forces. The've killed more innocent civilians than the Muslim terrorists have.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Animal liberation front? Earth liberation front? they have suicide bombers too? can't say I was aware of that.. have they shot anyone recently?

Notice that I said "groups like," and, yes, some of them do condone killing people, and have, if they view it as necessary to achieving their ends.
And even then, in America your greatest threat is other Americans. It is far more likely you will be killed in a robbery, killed by a random act of violence, killed by a drunk driver, or killed at school by a mentally unstable person who got a hold of a gun (frequently easily and legally) than by a Muslim extremist.

You totally skipped my point with Sweden not experiencing terrorism until muslim immigration

A Christian going off the deep end and committing a heinous act of terrorism is not, at all, anyway you try to put it, the fault of Muslims. That is no different that saying it's entirely on homosexuals for coming out of the closet if they are harassed, beaten, or killed.

It was Muslims who blew up the bus in london, right?

And not too long ago a group of Irish Catholics planted bombs in trash cans in London and even blew up a hotel in an attempt to kill Margaret Thatcher.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Groves conveniently ignored the state sponsored terrorism of the US and Allied military forces. The've killed more innocent civilians than the Muslim terrorists have.

According to General Smedely Butler, who served numerous tours of duty in Central and South America, during what is known as the Banana Wars, he was a "gangster for capitalism."

 

[groves200]

See here and drop the yellow-peril narrative. The sky is not falling. Honest.

Jeez the website contains the word "fact" it must be a fact! lets find some more facts!!!
http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/11/30/unicorns-existence-proven-says-north-korea/

Groves conveniently ignored the state sponsored terrorism of the US and Allied military forces. The've killed more innocent civilians than the Muslim terrorists have.

huh i didnt ignore that?

 

[groves200]

And not too long ago a group of Irish Catholics planted bombs in trash cans in London and even blew up a hotel in an attempt to kill Margaret Thatcher.

and they failed

 

[groves200]

ya'know, for a long time i've had this image in my head that syria was another Iraq, dirty dusty country full of crazy muslims and lots of uneducated people.. until I recently (just now) stumbled upon before and after images of areas in syria.. looked better than than most the streets here in Britain!

update: and now I saw some of Iraq, I subtract my previous comment on it.

Weird... :/ HMMM

Iraq: http://www.businessinsider.com/amazing-pictures-of-peaceful-iraq-2014-6?op=1&IR=T

 

[Jeremy Taylor]

And not too long ago a group of Irish Catholics planted bombs in trash cans in London and even blew up a hotel in an attempt to kill Margaret Thatcher.

Irish Republicans or Nationalists. Generally, Sinn Fein and the IRA were as leftist as they were Catholic. Sinn Fein is a left-wing party that actually is the least friendly of the main Irish parties to the Roman Catholic Church.

and they failed

This makes it sound like not only are you excusing IRA terrorism - not uncommon, unfortunately, even in Britain - but you seem to be disappointed such terrorists didn't kill Lady Thatcher. Apart from anything else, it hardly squares with your attacks on Islamic terrorism.

 

[Jeremy Taylor]

Groves conveniently ignored the state sponsored terrorism of the US and Allied military forces. The've killed more innocent civilians than the Muslim terrorists have.

Unless you are talking about specific targeting of civilians, such as some of the bombing of Germany and Japan, then this is a rather silly way of putting it. I lean non-interventionist, but it is silly to call the wars in the Middle East terrorist exercises, or to make a false equivalence between the likes of ISIS and the Americans.

 

[groves200]

Irish Republicans or Nationalists. Generally, Sinn Fein and the IRA were as leftist as they were Catholic. Sinn Fein is a left-wing party that actually is the least friendly of the main Irish parties to the Roman Catholic Church.


This makes it sound like not only are you excusing IRA terrorism - not uncommon, unfortunately, even in Britain - but you seem to be disappointed such terrorists didn't kill Lady Thatcher. Apart from anything else, it hardly squares with your attacks on Islamic terrorism.

it was actually ment to sound sarcastic, I'm German not British so I have no reason to wish her any harm and on a realistic note of course I don't excuse any sort of terrorism. When I come to britain I adapted to their way of life, I don't go around moaning and throwing hissy fits calling everyone anti-german when I don't get what I want and threaten to kill people over it.

 

[Lyndon]

Unless you are talking about specific targeting of civilians, such as some of the bombing of Germany and Japan, then this is a rather silly way of putting it. I lean non-interventionist, but it is silly to call the wars in the Middle East terrorist exercises.

You wouldn't be saying that if the bombs were dropping on you!!

 

[groves200]

You wouldn't be saying that if the bombs were dropping on you!!

he wouldn't be saying anything if the bombs were dropping on him.