Adios europe, hello Islam!?

[Jeremy Taylor]

You wouldn't be saying that if the bombs were dropping on you!!

That's not an argument. Not all bombing is terrorist.

 

[Jeremy Taylor]

it was actually ment to sound sarcastic, I'm German not British so I have no reason to wish her any harm and on a realistic note of course I don't excuse any sort of terrorism. When I come to britain I adapted to their way of life, I don't go around moaning and throwing hissy fits calling everyone anti-german when I don't get what I want and threaten to kill people over it.

Okay.

 

[vaguelyhumanoid]

There are parts of Europe that were directly ruled by the Ottoman Empire for centuries that aren't as "Islamized" as people think the U.K. is going to be in like 20 years. Get a grip, everybody.

 

[Lyndon]

Funny you all should focus on immigrants and foreigners when its good old white people that are directly responsible for most of the world's problems.

 

[Flankerl]

Morphesium conveniently ignored the state sponsored terrorism of the US and Allied military forces. The've killed more innocent civilians than the Muslim terrorists have.

Groves conveniently ignored the state sponsored terrorism of the US and Allied military forces. The've killed more innocent civilians than the Muslim terrorists have.

[citation needed]
But you probably consider all the insurgent groups in Iraq as part of the evil west.

A Christian going off the deep end and committing a heinous act of terrorism

Christian terrorism in Sweden? Well well would you look at that.

There are parts of Europe that were directly ruled by the Ottoman Empire for centuries that aren't as "Islamized" as people think the U.K. is going to be in like 20 years. Get a grip, everybody.

Nah they are just going to make life a lot more difficult for certain minorities.

I mean its basically no problem if you belong to the majority.

 

[groves200]

"
'Just wait…' Islamic State reveals it has smuggled THOUSANDS of extremists into Europe
AN OPERATIVE working for Islamic State has revealed the terror group has successfully smuggled thousands of covert jihadists into Europe."

But I suppose you supporters are totally ok with this.. until the cafes start mysteriously exploding and you come up with some other nice excuse.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world...ler-THOUSANDS-Extremists-into-Europe-Refugees

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

"
'Just wait…' Islamic State reveals it has smuggled THOUSANDS of extremists into Europe
AN OPERATIVE working for Islamic State has revealed the terror group has successfully smuggled thousands of covert jihadists into Europe."

And we all know that "an operative working for Islamic State" would never, ever exaggerate or lie.

You are so trusting when it comes to nurturing your own fears. It would be laughable were it not so pathetic.

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

"
'Just wait…' Islamic State reveals it has smuggled THOUSANDS of extremists into Europe
AN OPERATIVE working for Islamic State has revealed the terror group has successfully smuggled thousands of covert jihadists into Europe."

But I suppose you supporters are totally ok with this.. until the cafes start mysteriously exploding and you come up with some other nice excuse.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world...ler-THOUSANDS-Extremists-into-Europe-Refugees

Attacks in EU could trigger civilwar.
Its a dangerous game played by ISIS.

 

[groves200]

Well folks, this is an ever lasting debate. The only way to solve it is to wait for the next terrorist attack in Europe and say "told you so" but OBVIOUSLY that won't be enough for some. Any any moron would know how damn easy it is to smuggle terrorists in to europe along with thousands of innocent refugee's, wouldn't even need any education to figure that one out but some people are very.. simple minded?

 

[groves200]

And we all know that "an operative working for Islamic State" would never, ever exaggerate or lie.

You are so trusting when it comes to nurturing your own fears. It would be laughable were it not so pathetic.

It's laughable and sort of pathetic how people like you can shrug it off like there's no problem.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

... some people are very.. simple minded?

Speaking of which: What precisely would you have us do with the refugees?

 

[groves200]

Speaking of which: What precisely would you have us do with the refugees?

I know it sounds harsh but leave them there. I don't like to say it, I wish there was a way to help them other than leaving them there without meanwhile digging our own grave but there isn't. Think about it, you remember the old classic wooden Trojan horse story, doesn't this sound somewhat similar? In this case that wooden horse being thousands upon thousands of innocent refugee's while amongst them we have extremists with one goal, to kill as many people as possible on our doorstep because we welcomed them in, gave them money and shelter. Yes we helped thousands of legit innocent refugee's but how many terrorists does it take to kill 50 people? the answer is 1 in a crowded area, now lets consider that they claim to have smuggled 4000, that's not hard to imagine, its pretty easy isn't it? how hard can it really be to smuggle them in amongst the innocent? big question right there.

We have to think about our own lives, our children what I'm about to say isn't bizarre, it's already happened, what if a terrorist detonated a bomb in a cafe just down the road from you and killed a family member of yours? is there just as much chance a christian would do that or a jew or some random fella who has nothing else to do... I HIGHLY doubt it.

We can not help them without digging our own grave.. simples. but like I said before, wait and see.

 

[vaguelyhumanoid]

Nah they are just going to make life a lot more difficult for certain minorities.

I mean its basically no problem if you belong to the majority.

I don't "belong to the majority". I'm queer, autistic and pagan/heathen. Don't assume things about me.

I can't speak to older generations of immigrants, but the current wave of refugees are people fleeing from Daesh. They're the people who don't feel safe in an extreme Islamist state. Many of them are likely religious, ethnic and sexual minorities themselves. Kicking out people seeking to escape terrorism because of where they're from is straight-up racist.

 

[groves200]

I don't "belong to the majority". I'm queer, autistic and pagan/heathen. Don't assume things about me.

I can't speak to older generations of immigrants, but the current wave of refugees are people fleeing from Daesh. They're the people who don't feel safe in an extreme Islamist state. Many of them are likely religious, ethnic and sexual minorities themselves. Kicking out people seeking to escape terrorism because of where they're from is straight-up racist.

amuses me when people play the racist card. Most of the time it's used incorrectly and funnily enough it only applies to them not us. What's with the double standards??

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Irish Republicans or Nationalists. Generally, Sinn Fein and the IRA were as leftist as they were Catholic. Sinn Fein is a left-wing party that actually is the least friendly of the main Irish parties to the Roman Catholic Church.

By that logic, then Hitler really wasn't doing anything for God, despite his speeches, writings, and known devotion, because of the extreme nationalism of the Nazi Party. It doesn't change the fact that a group of Irish Catholics were terrorizing England in modern times.

Unless you are talking about specific targeting of civilians, such as some of the bombing of Germany and Japan, then this is a rather silly way of putting it. I lean non-interventionist, but it is silly to call the wars in the Middle East terrorist exercises, or to make a false equivalence between the likes of ISIS and the Americans.

The US government is notorious for flexing its military might for economic purposes and sending the military in to secure economic claims and resources for American corporations and clearing the way to have puppet regimes installed.

'Just wait…' Islamic State reveals it has smuggled THOUSANDS of extremists into Europe

AN OPERATIVE working for Islamic State has revealed the terror group has successfully smuggled thousands of covert jihadists into Europe."

Exaggerating your numbers is a very ancient tactic, as well as downplaying your numbers. However, with the ISIS has been slowed down, lost some ground, and with talks of invasions against ISIS along with the their losses from ground fighting and air strikes, I really doubt they would have sent more than that. For all we know, it may be a ploy to attempt the West to scale back on air raids, which alone have killed about 10,000 ISIS fighters (which that number itself may be an exaggeration made in an attempt to weaken ISIS moral).
But the really big issue is that one operative does not represent ISIS as a whole, and ISIS does not represent Muslims as a whole.

 

[groves200]

By that logic, then Hitler really wasn't doing anything for God, despite his speeches, writings, and known devotion, because of the extreme nationalism of the Nazi Party. It doesn't change the fact that a group of Irish Catholics were terrorizing England in modern times.

The US government is notorious for flexing its military might for economic purposes and sending the military in to secure economic claims and resources for American corporations and clearing the way to have puppet regimes installed.

Exaggerating your numbers is a very ancient tactic, as well as downplaying your numbers. However, with the ISIS has been slowed down, lost some ground, and with talks of invasions against ISIS along with the their losses from ground fighting and air strikes, I really doubt they would have sent more than that. For all we know, it may be a ploy to attempt the West to scale back on air raids, which alone have killed about 10,000 ISIS fighters (which that number itself may be an exaggeration made in an attempt to weaken ISIS moral).
But the really big issue is that one operative does not represent ISIS as a whole, and ISIS does not represent Muslims as a whole.

how many terrorists does it take to blow up a shopping mall?

ya'know it seriously seems to me that some people here couldn't care less if there were more terrorist attacks in our country.. they'd continue to defend them and make excuses. Sad.

 

[vaguelyhumanoid]

double standards??

I don't think that means what you think it means.

People from Muslim-majority countries are often judged on ethnic grounds, and being Muslim in the West is heavily racialized. The stereotypes and fears carry over from times when Middle Easterners and South Asians were viewed as racially inferior. That is what I mean by "racist".

 

[groves200]

how many terrorists does it take to blow up a shopping mall?

I don't think that means what you think it means.

People from Muslim-majority countries are often judged on ethnic grounds, and being Muslim in the West is heavily racialized. The stereotypes and fears carry over from times when Middle Easterners and South Asians were viewed as racially inferior. That is what I mean by "racist".

and what do we label those who shout "kill all jews" racist? or does it not apply to them. I'm yet to hear about a Muslim be arrested for shouting white trash or blow up britain but if we were to shout the same in the streets about an islamic country guess what would happen.. go on, guess

 

[groves200]

anyways im done with this thread. but for the final time: wait and see

 

[Jeremy Taylor]

By that logic, then Hitler really wasn't doing anything for God, despite his speeches, writings, and known devotion, because of the extreme nationalism of the Nazi Party. It doesn't change the fact that a group of Irish Catholics were terrorizing England in modern times.

Firstly, the Hitler stuff is nonsense. Hitler had no known devotion. He was not a Christian and seems not to have been spent much time thinking about God at all. The Nazis tried to co-opt German Christianity early on in their rule. They tried to create a half Christian, half Aryan sort of religion. But they gave up around 1936. Hitler's closest confidents - Speer, Goebbels, and Bormann - paid witness to his contempt of Christianity. Christianity and theism in general had little real role in Nazism.

And obviously, my point, if true, precisely changes the fact. Sinn Fein and the IRA have a complex relationship to the Catholic Church. No doubt there are and were devout Catholics amongst them, but Sinn Fein is a left-wing, essentially Marxist party and many of its peolpe would not be devout or even believers.

The US government is notorious for flexing its military might for economic purposes and sending the military in to secure economic claims and resources for American corporations and clearing the way to have puppet regimes installed.

To some degree, but this isn't the same as ISIS. Some of this is also exaggerated by leftists.