Adios europe, hello Islam!?

[Godobeyer]

What facts? It is you dismissing the facts out of hand, in favour of any sort of conjecture you can find.

i post a link about his speechs , and you post claims

I repost it for you again , maybe you would not pass it , this time

http://www.catholicarrogance.org/Catholic/Hitlersfaith-1.html

 

[groves200]

maybe i get fooled by Media .

anyway that's does not deny that their is islamophopia in West , and harassement against Muslims .

Your still doing it. It's not just the Muslims who are victimized. You cant keep screaming ISLAMAPHOBIA every time a Muslim is hurt somehow by a western person. What about when a western person is attacked/raped/killed by a Muslim, is it Westernaphobia or do we have no rights?

p.s: your video is part of a game called "the knockout game" it has nothing to do with her being a Muslim but like always you people are quick to should out islamaphobia whenever the chance pops up.

 

[Jeremy Taylor]

i post a link about his speechs , and you post claims

I repost it for you again , maybe you would not pass it , this time

http://www.catholicarrogance.org/Catholic/Hitlersfaith-1.html

I can see nothing in that page that refutes the evidence given by his confidants, none of whom were Christians. The speeches or parts of his works seem to be either taken out of context (such as where he uses terms like spiritual), are speeches that can be explained as simply to suit the general Christian public feelings at the time, or serving some specific purpose, like reaching out to Catholics. It is telling that most of the examples are from the 1920s and early 1930s, when Hitler most had to reassure the scruples of those who might vote for him, or seek the support of important interests in Germany. There is little from when he is securely in power, especially from after 1936, when the Nazis seem to have given up on co-opt the German Churches. It also tries to dismiss the evidence of Speer et al sophistically, by referring to them as a few associates who may have other motives. This is not an honest way to describe independent testimony of high ranking Nazis with no obvious reason to doctor the record.

May I suggest, in future, you do not simply post links from random internet conspiracy sites.

 

[Godobeyer]

There is indeed harassment against Muslims but there were many incidents of Muslims imposing their rules on British people in the UK. Some went as far as declaring a "Sharia zone" when it's not allowed. Why don't these people move to Muslim countries if they're not happy with the laws here? Instead they hurt non-Muslim people because of things that are considered haram in Islam, like drinking or how women are dressed. They don't respect the laws in this country.

But with honesty, I posted this to show you that the picture isn't black and white. Yes there is Islamophobia but there's also some bad Muslims too. The blame game isn't going to get us anywhere and we need a balanced view. Why not just say there are bad humans in every society and try to find solutions instead of pointing the finger at each other? That would be a lot more useful. Can't we live in peace even if we have different beliefs?

maybe because they had extra freedom so they decide to make "Sharia zone" .

I remember in 90" , when we Algerian fighting terrorites , UK host many of opposites leaders , whom supporting terrorists around the world , the authority of UK capture them just after the London bombs

http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...d-back-uk-theresa-may-jordan-acquittal-terror

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-11701269

 

[Godobeyer]

Your still doing it. It's not just the Muslims who are victimized. You cant keep screaming ISLAMAPHOBIA every time a Muslim is hurt somehow by a western person. What about when a western person is attacked/raped/killed by a Muslim, is it Westernaphobia or do we have no rights?

p.s: your video is part of a game called "the knockout game" it has nothing to do with her being a Muslim but like always you people are quick to should out islamaphobia whenever the chance pops up.

that's silly question .

 

[Godobeyer]

I can see nothing in that page that refutes the evidence given by his confidants, none of whom were Christians. The speeches or parts of his works seem to be either taken out of context (such as where he uses terms like spiritual), are speeches that can be explained as simply to suit the general Christian public feelings at the time, or serving some specific purpose, like reaching out to Catholics. It is telling that most of the examples are from the 1920s and early 1930s, when Hitler most had to reassure the scruples of those who might vote for him, or seek the support of important interests in Germany. There is little from when he is securely in power, especially from after 1936, when the Nazis seem to have given up on co-opt the German Churches. It also tries to dismiss the evidence of Speer et al sophistically, by referring to them as a few associates who may have other motives. This is not an honest way to describe independent testimony of high ranking Nazis with no obvious reason to doctor the record.

May I suggest, in future, you do not simply post links from random internet conspiracy sites.

of course you can't see nothing .

that's was sites made by Westerns , so when you proof the otherwise , that's link may correct .

 

[groves200]

that's silly question .

why? because I'm not a Muslim?

 

[Godobeyer]

why? because I'm not a Muslim?

ok forgive me
You seems you newbie in RF, i did not notice that , i don't care if you Muslim or not .

 

[illykitty]

maybe because they had extra freedom so they decide to make "Sharia zone"

You can't do that though, you can't make your own laws or impose Sharia in the UK. The UK is not Muslim and has its own laws which people who live here should respect.

There's no such thing as "extra freedom". They're extremists who want to impose Sharia on non-Muslims. They should just move out of the UK, frankly.

 

[Godobeyer]

You can't do that though, you can't make your own laws or impose Sharia in the UK. The UK is not Muslim and has its own laws which people who live here should respect.

There's no such thing as "extra freedom". They're extremists who want to impose Sharia on non-Muslims. They should just move out of the UK, frankly.

I agree with you .

If we the Muslims reject these people (not Sharia) , how about non-Muslims .

 

[illykitty]

I agree with you .

If we the Muslims reject these people (not Sharia) , how about non-Muslims .

I'm not sure what you're asking me, sorry. I don't understand.

 

[groves200]

You can't do that though, you can't make your own laws or impose Sharia in the UK. The UK is not Muslim and has its own laws which people who live here should respect.

There's no such thing as "extra freedom". They're extremists who want to impose Sharia on non-Muslims. They should just move out of the UK, frankly.

"extra freedom". hahaha hhhahahaaaaaaa
that won't surprise me.. they always have special benefits.

 

[Jeremy Taylor]

of course you can't see nothing .

that's was sites made by Westerns , so when you proof the otherwise , that's link may correct .

I did proof otherwise, at least good enough for an internet forum. I pointed you to the works of Speer, Goebbels, and Bormann. I am satisfied with this. You can take it or leave, but if you want some internet source, the wiki has the information:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler

The religious views of Adolf Hitler are a matter of interest and debate. Hitler was raised by an increasingly anti-clerical father and devout Catholic mother.[1] Baptized as an infant and confirmed at the age of fifteen, he ceased attending Mass and participating in the sacraments in later life.[2][3] In adulthood Hitler became disdainful of Christianity, but in the pursuit and maintenance of power was prepared to delay clashes with the churches out of political considerations.[4] Hitler's architect Albert Speer believed he had "no real attachment" to Catholicism, but that he had never formally left the Church. Unlike his comrade Joseph Goebbels, Hitler was not excommunicated[5] prior to his suicide. The biographer John Toland noted Hitler's anticlericalism but considered him still in "good standing" with the Church by 1941, while historians such as Ian Kershaw, Joachim Fest and Alan Bullock agree that Hitler was anti-Christian - a view evidenced by sources such as the Goebbels Diaries, the memoirs of Speer, and the transcripts edited by Martin Bormann contained within Hitler's Table Talk.[6] Goebbels wrote in 1941 that Hitler "hates Christianity, because it has crippled all that is noble in humanity."[7] Many historians have come to the conclusion that Hitler's long-term aim was the eradication of Christianity in Germany,[8] while others maintain that there is insufficient evidence for such a plan.[9]

I think it is rather telling that Hitler committed suicide, hardly the act of a devout Christian and, especially, Catholic, in the circumstances.

 

[Jeremy Taylor]

In fact, Wikipedia is hardly a bastion of conservative Christian - quote the opposite - so reading the wiki I was struck by just how conclusive it is on the point he wasn't really Christian. As it say at the conclusion of the introduction:

Laurence Rees concludes that "Hitler's relationship in public to Christianity - indeed his relationship to religion in general - was opportunistic. There is no evidence that Hitler himself, in his personal life, ever expressed any individual belief in the basic tenets of the Christian church".[23]

This sums up the whole treatment in that page.

 

[Flankerl]

Can't you people watch the "HISTORY" Channel to get your dose of Hitler? It is kinda annoying.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Can't you people watch the "HISTORY" Channel to get your dose of Hitler? It is kinda annoying.

Or, even better, read the things he wrote and said (I'm not that fond of the "History" channel myself).

 

[Lyndon]

I'm getting my full dose of "Hitler" just by reading the anti immigrant comments in this thread

 

[Jeremy Taylor]

Or, even better, read the things he wrote and said (I'm not that fond of the "History" channel myself).

You mean the nihilistic, social Darwinian world of Mein Kampf or the attacks on Christianity and religion he made to his confidants? Seems far important than the opportunistic, self-serving speeches of the 20s and early 30s to me. Are you suggesting Speer, Goebbels, and Bormann were lying?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

You mean the nihilistic, social Darwinian world of Mein Kampf

Mein Kampf is heavily saturated with references to the Christian God, how Hitler felt he was doing God's work, and how God must be the center of German society, and how he had his Christian duties to perform. And using "nihilistic" and "social Darwinian" to describe anything to do with the Nazis is to say you don't know much about the Nazi platform. The Volkswagen, for example, was the result of Hitler's aspiration to make cars more available to the common German to enhance their mobility, which itself was a part of Hitler's goal of improving the plight of the citizens of Germany, who were in the middle of a nasty economic crisis even before he began to rise to power. Really, all Hitler wanted to do was not make Germans fight against each other in a dog-eat-dog environment, but improve the situation of German citizens and strengthen the state of Germany. Of course some of his goals for achieving that were atrocious, but ultimately his goal was not for Germans to fend for themselves but to stand united and proud by having all of society benefit from his policies. After all, Nazi is a shortened from of National Socialist.

 

[Jeremy Taylor]

Mein Kampf is heavily saturated with references to the Christian God, how Hitler felt he was doing God's work, and how God must be the center of German society, and how he had his Christian duties to perform. And using "nihilistic" and "social Darwinian" to describe anything to do with the Nazis is to say you don't know much about the Nazi platform. The Volkswagen, for example, was the result of Hitler's aspiration to make cars more available to the common German to enhance their mobility, which itself was a part of Hitler's goal of improving the plight of the citizens of Germany, who were in the middle of a nasty economic crisis even before he began to rise to power.

Mein Kampf above all else presents a picture of the cosmos as one of eternal struggle between the weak and the strong. This is its overriding theme, which has little to do with Christianity. The references to God are perfunctory.

And why do you always ignore the evidence from his confidants, and from historians? You rely on out of context remarks and opportunistic speeches. This is hardly compelling and hardly compares to the evidence of the like Speer, Goebbels, and Bormann.

I have no idea what the Volkswagen anecdote is supposed to show. Social Darwinism and a sort of bastardised Nietzscheism were far more important to Nazi thought than Christianity ever was, although, it must be said, Nazi thought was inconsistent and vague at the best of times.