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after five years, i left islam. here's one huge contradiction in the qur`an

The_Fisher_King

The_Fisher_King

Trying to bring myself ever closer to Allah
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Paul Chavez said:
Ok that's great, poor satan, allah created him evil, to just be thrown into hell later on for eternal torment. No problem good day.
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As I believe I have already said, God did not create Satan. And God does not throw Satan anywhere.
 
firedragon

firedragon

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Ya'quub said:
As I believe I have already said, God did not create Satan. And God does not throw Satan anywhere.
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I am interested to know if in your Theology, Satan also is eternal. Or uncreated? I believe Angra Myanhu also had the same persona. Not too sure, I think.
 
The_Fisher_King

The_Fisher_King

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firedragon said:
I am interested to know if in your Theology, Satan also is eternal. Or uncreated? I believe Angra Myanhu also had the same persona. Not too sure, I think.
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Salaam,

Allaah is All, One, and there is ultimately nothing else, and Allaah is Eternal. We all, Shaytaan included, are therefore a part of Allaah, and therefore also eternal. But whereas Allaah created us as 'separate' beings, He did not create Shaytaan as a 'separate' being. Shaytaan 'separated' himself from Allaah of his own accord. So, yes, he is indeed uncreated.

Angra Mainyu is another name for Shaytaan. Shaytaan has been/is known by many names around the world.

Wassalaam
 
firedragon

firedragon

Veteran Member
Ya'quub said:
Salaam,

Allaah is All, One, and there is ultimately nothing else, and Allaah is Eternal. We all, Shaytaan included, are therefore a part of Allaah, and therefore also eternal. But whereas Allaah created us as 'separate' beings, He did not create Shaytaan as a 'separate' being. Shaytaan 'separated' himself from Allaah of his own accord. So, yes, he is indeed uncreated.

Angra Mainyu is another name for Shaytaan. Shaytaan has been/is known by many names around the world.

Wassalaam
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Interesting. So your theology is bordering pantheism? If not please elaborate for my knowledge.
 
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blue taylor

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Kelvin Davidson said:
one, yesterday i discovered that in the qur`an, chapter 11 verse 1 states that the verses are perfected and explained in detail, but all of chapter 111 is clearly about muhammad wanting revenge on his uncle and her wife. the entire message of the qur`an would be benefited without that chapter. how are those perfected verses?

two, even if you believe it's supposed to be hard to understand (which makes no sense because that can cause huge amounts of misinterpretation and chaos), that is still not explanation in detail, therefore it also makes the qur`an imperfect and completely contradicts chapter 11 verse 1.

three, it's as if people thought muhammad's complaints about family were teachings and added it into the qur`an. also, these are things that people believed muhammad said sorted out by people other than muhammad. if this chapter is in there, that further destroys its credibility.

four (as asked on page 6), why are the famous mysterious letters (i.e. alif lam ra) added into the qur`an with no explanation for them? and if they weren't in the actual qur`an, then a huge part of the world has been misguided by this. this contradicts chapter 11 verse 1

there are so many verses in the qur`an that are extremely hard to understand. and if you say it wasn't talking about every verse, then that would make chapter 11 verse 1 contradict even itself.

i do still however follow God. just with no religion.
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Which god do you follow?
 
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blue taylor

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firedragon said:
I am interested to know if in your Theology, Satan also is eternal. Or uncreated? I believe Angra Myanhu also had the same persona. Not too sure, I think.
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Does not Angra Myanhu mean "angry mind"? I have read the original poems of Zarathustra, and I believe he was talking about a state of mind and not an actual entity. The struggle between good and evil in the minds of people, not a struggle between entities.
 
idav

idav

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firedragon said:
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I haven't seen that sort of view really put to the test with muslim beliefs. That is a really fascinating take. A lot like the liberal approach I understand coming from the bible, I don't think I disagreed with anything that guy was saying, I mean it seemed what he was saying was even biblical in my view. Thank you for sharing.
 
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