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Age of the Earth.
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Oh, I don't know about that, the theory of an eternal cyclic universe was around long before our scientific friends came up with the Big Bang theory with its expansion from an infinitely dense, infinitely hot, infinitesimally small singularity to the universe that we know today, and its possible eventual contraction, where all that will be in existence at that time, will be returned to the infinitely dense, infinitely hot, infinitesimally small singularity from which it originated.
Brahman the singularity, is said to be the essential divine reality of the universe; the eternal and invisible spirit from which all being originates and to which all must return. At the close of each period of universal activity, the most high that Brahman becomes enters into the singularity as the Supreme Personality of Godhead.
Universe after universe is like an interminable succession of wheels forever coming into view, forever rolling onwards, disappearing and reappearing; forever passing from being to non being, and again from non being to being. In short, the constant revolving of the wheel of life in one eternal cycle, according to fixed and immutable laws, is perhaps after all the sum and substance of the philosophy of Buddhism. And this eternal wheel has so to speak, six spokes representing six forms of existence.” ---- Mon. Williams, Buddhism, pp. 229, 122.
The days of Brahma are called Manvantara or the cycle of manifestation, ‘The Great Day,’ which is a period of universal activity, that is preceded, and also followed by ‘Pralaya,’ a dark period, which to our finite minds seems as an eternity. ‘Manvantara,’ is a creative day as seen in the six days of creation in Genesis, ‘Pralaya,’ is the evening that precedes the next creative day. The six periods of Creation and the seventh day of rest in which we now exist are referred to in the book of Genesis as the generations of the universe.
The English word “Generation,” is translated from the Hebrew “toledoth” which is used in the Old Testament in every instance as ‘births,’ or ‘descendants,’ such as “These are the generations of Adam,” or “these are the generations of Abraham, and Genesis 2: 4; These are the generations of the Universe or heavens and earth, etc. And the ‘Great Day’ in which the seven generations of the universe are eternally repeated, is the eternal cosmic period of the eighth eternal day in which those who attain to perfection are allowed to enter, where they shall be surrounded by great light and they shall experience eternal peace, while those who do not attain to perfection are cast back into the refining fires of the seven physical cycles that perpetually revolve within the eighth eternal cosmic cycle.
Origen, , was a Christian writer and teacher who lived between the years of 185 and 254 AD. Among his many works is the Hexapla, which is his interpretation of the Old Testament texts. Origen holds to a series of worlds following one upon the other,-- each world rising a step higher than the previous world, so that every later world brings to ripeness the seeds that were imbedded in the former, and itself then prepares the seed for the universe that will follow it.
Genesis 1: 2; "The earth was without form and void." Should be correctly translated; "The earth became formless and void." The Hebrew word "Hayah," which is here translated "WAS," means; "To become. Occur. Come to pass. Be." (Vines complete Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words, 1985, "To Be.")
For the day will come when the heavens shall roll up as a scroll with a great hissing noise, and the elements of this living universal body will become so excited they shall burn up and fall as Massive columns of fire beyond all measure in height and depth, into the great Abyss, Black Hole, the seemingly bottomless pit, from which this universal body will be resurrected, to continue on in the eternal process of evolution.
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Gabethewiking
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They have plenty of way of doing their research. If anything scientist do fits with what they want to claim, they say that it confirms their Theory, else they ignore it saying Science is false.
For example, they claimed that the general age estimate of the Barrier Reef was something around 4000 years, therefore Creationism is True, Evolution is False.
I have no idea where they got this figure from, I know that the Reefs current estimateed age of the living structure is around 8000 years and the Reef itself is atleast 20 thousands years old, but so you get an idea of what they do.
DallasApple
Depends Upon My Mood..
The earth is REALLY REALLY old..
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Gabethewiking
Active Member
Like when my grandma talks about her telephone, its like a winding wheel on it, like that old?
Because science can use the accuracy of microwaves the age of the earth is known.
Genesis is dealing with getting the earth ready for mankind to inhabit from two different viewpoints. Gen 1:1-2:4 describing creation, and Gen 2:5-4:26 concentrates on creation of human race and its fall from human perfection of healthy mind and body.
The length of the creative days are not known. It is not stated if each creative day is of the same length. All six creative days are summed up as a day at Gen 2:4. The 7th day is still ongoing.
gnostic
The Lost One
I think you are forgetting that it created light and darkness, and called one day and the other night, and it also mean that one night and one morning, hence making up an entire day....uravip2me said:
Genesis 1:5 said:
...and for each successive day, the same thing: "And there was evening and there was morning -" ...in x successive day in Genesis 1:8, 10, 13, 19, 23, 31.
The Genesis don't mention week, month or year.
Why do you think the length of a creative day is not known?
The clues are there in plain sight. Why do you insist in ignoring the last part of each creative day?
And if a evening and morning don't make up a whole day, then what does it mean?
A day is divided into a period of Darkness followed by an equal period of light. How long those periods last depends on where you are; on the equator, 12 hours of darkness 12 hours of light, or the North pole, 6 months of darkness, six onths of light, Mars, Jupiter, where ever, the periods of time are different. There are thousand year periods which are referred to as one day and there is the religious creative day, which is a period of universal invisibility and rest, followed be a period of visible universal activity.
Universe after universe is like an interminable succession of wheels forever coming into view, forever rolling onwards, disappearing and reappearing; forever passing from being to non being, and again from non being to being. In short, the constant revolving of the wheel of life in one eternal cycle, according to fixed and immutable laws, is perhaps after all the sum and substance of the philosophy of Buddhism. And this eternal wheel has so to speak, six spokes representing six forms of existence.” ---- Mon. Williams, Buddhism, pp. 229, 122.
The nights and days of Brahma are called Manvantara or the cycle of manifestation, ‘The Great Day,’ which is a period of universal activity, that is preceded, and also followed by ‘Pralaya,’ a dark period, which to our finite minds seems as an eternity. ‘Manvantara,’ is a creative day as seen in the six days of creation in Genesis, ‘Pralaya,’ is the evening that precedes the next creative day. The six periods of Creation and the seventh day of rest in which we now exist are referred to in the book of Genesis as the generations of the universe.
The English word “Generation,” is translated from the Hebrew “toledoth” which is used in the Old Testament in every instance as ‘births,’ or ‘descendants,’ such as “These are the generations of Adam,” or “these are the generations of Abraham, and Genesis 2: 4; These are the generations of the Universe or rather, as Genesis puts it, the generations of the heavens and earth, etc. And the ‘Great Day’ in which the seven generations of the universe are eternally repeated, is the eternal cosmic period of the eighth eternal day in which those who attain to perfection are allowed to enter, where they shall be surrounded by great light and they shall experience eternal peace, while those who do not attain to perfection are cast back into the refining fires of the seven physical cycles that perpetually revolve within the eighth eternal cosmic cycle.
Origen, , was a Christian writer and teacher who lived between the years of 185 and 254 AD. Among his many works is the Hexapla, which is his interpretation of the Old Testament texts. Origen holds to a series of worlds following one upon the other,-- each world rising a step higher than the previous world, so that every later world brings to ripeness the seeds that were imbedded in the former, and itself then prepares the seed for the universe that will follow it.
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gnostic
The Lost One
Oh please. Let stick with the planet Earth. And please stay out of the Arctic Circle too. Nothing indicated that Creation of Adam and Eve at Eden took place anywhere near the Arctic Circle.s-word said:
You are forgetting 2 important things in the Genesis that would exclude your silly day or night lasting 6 months each: namely rivers -
- Euphrates
- and Tigris.
So your argument of prolonged night and day is therefore REFUTED.
Another thing you are forgetting is climate, which also related to location.
The Garden of Eden is said to be a paradise, according to the Genesis, so the temperature would have to be warmer for all sort of trees, especially fruit-bearing trees that would naturally grow.
Do you see where I am going with this?
So such paradise located in arctic region or even in the tundra, these trees and fruits could not possibly survive from the harsh arctic cold winds. And nothing grow in that region, since much of the arctic is on frozen ocean, and where even on tundra region, the growth of trees are hamper by low temperature and cold ground, too cold to grow any sort of fruit tree.
And let not forget the fig leaves used by Adam and Eve, to cover their nakedness. Figs are found mostly in the Mediterranean regions, like Greece and south-west Asia, no where which experience months of darkness or light.
You argument is being REFUTED, again.
Your argument for months of continuous sunlight or prolong darkness is without substances. Your possible location of locating where Adam and Eve was created (in the north pole), while ignoring what being said in the Genesis, is senseless - scientifically, geographically and logically.
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Yea! Well it's obvious that you have not read post 88 in relation to the creative days as recorded in Gensis as the generations of the universe. Good night mate.
darkendless
Guardian of Asgaard
Why would day and night have been 6 months when no one had been to the artic circle or even near it during that time?
You're not real flash mate, are ya? if you had read post 88, you would know that the referrence to Mars, Jupiter The North Pole and the Equator were only to point out the fact that the length of day is determined by the veiw point of where you are coming from, and nothing to do with the length of a creative day, which is a period of universal activity that is preceeded and followered by a period of universal rest.
darkendless
Guardian of Asgaard
No, i just don't facilitate poor efforts to make genesis look reasonably intillectual. A creative day is what ever you want it to be, thats how subjective the bible is.
Sure, you sighted a few sources, but i bet if you tried, you could find 500 more suggesting a creative day is 1 day or a 24 hour period.
This thread would work a lot better if people used science instead of theology.
gnostic
The Lost One
s-word said:
It doesn't make any different, because your argument of each creative day lasting a thousand year, don't make sense.
Genesis say that plants was created in the 3rd day, so a thousand year, without sun light, doesn't make sense at all, because the sun, moon and stars was created after this on the 4th day. Most of plants required sunlight and heat.
And yet you have light and darkness, which is called day and night, on the 1st day, but the sun and moon not created until 2000 years later, again your 1 day = 1000 years is senseless, illogical and scientifically impossible.
Mentioning this nonsense about 1 day equalling a thousand year from Peter, doesn't mean anything.
2 Peter 3:8 is nothing but a senseless metaphor.2 Peter 3:8 said:
Believe as you will young fellow, that's the beauty of having a free will.
darkendless
Guardian of Asgaard
You honestly dont understand what you read do you?
Where did I say that each creative day lasts for one thousand years? This is what I said in post 88, and as it is obvious that you do not read with any undersatanding, I will explain it for you.
A day is divided into a period of Darkness followed by an equal period of light. How long those periods last depends on where you are; on the equator, 12 hours of darkness 12 hours of light, or the North pole, 6 months of darkness, six months of light, Mars, Jupiter, where ever, the periods of time are different. There are thousand year periods which are referred to as one day AND there is the religious creative day, which is a period of universal invisibility and rest, followed be a period of visible universal activity.
Do you see that word, "AND' There are thousand year periods which are referred to as one day AND there is the religious creative day, which is a period of universal invisibility and rest, followed be a period of visible universal activity. Now do you understand that I have said that a religious creative day is a period of universal visible activity, which is preceeded and followed by a period in invisible universal rest. Happy now mate?
What a pity that you can't use some of your hidden atributes like 'Logic' and see that which cannot be seen with your eyes.
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darkendless
Guardian of Asgaard
From what i've seen you wouldn't know logic if it hit you in the face.
Our society is built on top of people like me getting their geology right. If i was wrong, i would not be very good at my job would i?
Ah haa! sacasim and insults, the lowest form of wit and the last resort of the ignorant. I agree, If you are wrong it would be proof positive that you're not very good at your Job, wouln't it? After reading my post #88, you never even had the nouse to understand what was said there.
Fancy thinking that my referrence to Jupiter, Mars, the north pole or the equator, had anything to do with the length of the six creative days which are described as the Generational bodies of the current universe which has evolved from the infinitely dense, infinitely hot, infinitesimally small singularity of Origin which is the invisible reality of the universe, and that from which all being issues forth and to which all must return to be condensed once again to the infinitely dense, infinitely hot, infinitesimally small singularity, which will burst forth again to resurrect the universal body that had descended into the seemingly bottomless pit, where it will continue on in the eternal process of evolution. Night, night matey it's getting late, and I've got to travel to Townsville in the morning.
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