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Aggregate Biomass, climate change, and talking to deniers

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
Has she?
If so, I sure don't see it.
Yeah, there is a lot of talk now, but that is all I have seen, talk, no action.

Well she seems to be mobilizing the world's youth. Of course the youth aren't officially in power at this point but they do have influence and they will be in power soon. Fingers crossed.
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Nancy Pelosi....who lives in a gated complex surrounded by homeless.
Clinton, who called us a bunch of 'deplorables' in the first place.

Almost every entertainment industry 'star' with an album or film (and a lovely house) who goes around spouting off idiocy.

Those who are openly conservative don't seem to get jobs.

What rock do you live under?
Pelosi's a politician, not an activist. Ditto Clinton. They're not leading any progressive movements. Nor would I call entertainment celebrities leaders.

These are the progressives; the political left:
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They don't look rich or privileged to me. I doubt many of them employ a PR team. I don't think they're spouting idiocy.
I can't make out their jeans....

They are their own, self-motivated progressive leaders. They're the people who make substantive change in society.
 

Notanumber

A Free Man
But we're also influencers for the world. If we do better, then the youth all over the world - including China - will be positively influenced.

As for the US - I would feel a lot better about us if we didn't consume so much meat. That's VERY hard on the environment.

The youth in China have to do as they are told.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
On the other hand, it wasn't polite discourse that ended the British Raj or South African apartheid; that got women the vote or civil rights for American blacks.
Oh, I disagree.
Peaceful discourse ruled (in the Ameristanian things....the others are less familiar).
Are you advocating abuse & insults to persuade GW deniers?

Is there any greater modern failure than Occupy Wall St?
 
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Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Oh, I disagree.
Peaceful discourse ruled (in the Ameristanian things....the others are less familiar).
Are you advocating abuse & insults to persuade GW deniers?

Is there any greater modern failure than Occupy Wall St?
No abuse, insults or violence. I advocate peaceful demonstrations, civil disobedience, &c.
Gandhi recommended assuming opponents were well intentioned but misinformed friends.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Donald Trump?
Trump has had some success in policy implementation.
But more germain to the thread, I think his style of
persuasion is poor. He has the power of the office,
but not of the spoken word, thus he fares poorly at
changing the minds of those who disagree with him.
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Trump has had some success in policy implementation.
But more germain to the thread, I think his style of
persuasion is poor. He has the power of the office,
but not of the spoken word.
Twenty or thirty years ago he was well spoken and fluent. He spoke in complete sentences and could stay on topic.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
This article about whale poop is great:

The Surprising Climate Power Behind Whale Poop

It’s probably the case that anything biological that weighs a lot "in aggregate" is an important part of our ecosystem. Maybe this is an angle that puddin’ headed deniers might be able to grok?
There are very very few deniers that are even willing to learn. All that you can do is to hope that they die off as quickly as possible.

That being said sequestering is not the answer. It will eventually be part of the solution. But the problem we face right now is that we produce far more carbon than we can sequester even with the most.optimistic numbers. First we need to cut carbon I production, then we can begin to put some of the excess away.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Climate Change appears to be turning into a witch-hunt with Greta taking on the role of a modern day version of Matthew Hopkins.

Idi Amin thought he was right and woes betide anyone that disagreed with him.
You'd love our Sylvia


 

dianaiad

Well-Known Member
But we're also influencers for the world. If we do better, then the youth all over the world - including China - will be positively influenced.

As for the US - I would feel a lot better about us if we didn't consume so much meat. That's VERY hard on the environment.

Baloney.

America doesn't influence anything but fashion choices. If there is one thing that is more fashionable than the youth of the world disparaging and looking down on Americans, I don't know what it is.
 

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
Baloney.

America doesn't influence anything but fashion choices. If there is one thing that is more fashionable than the youth of the world disparaging and looking down on Americans, I don't know what it is.

Then why is immigration such a one way street to the West?
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
And as he gets deeper and deeper into his term as President it appears to have grown progressively worse.
So you thought more highly of earlier Trump?
Another way to see it is that he's moved from declaring
no new wars to still declaring no new wars (one close
call notwithstanding). In this significant regard, he's
not gotten worse.
 
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