Alabama passes bill making some transgender healthcare a felony

[Subduction Zone]

I agree that young children need parental consent.

What about drugs that block puberty?

What if a child that knows that they are trans has fundamentalist parents? I am not advocating for full sex change, but puberty blockers can stop irreversible changes from occurring. I put it in the same category as birth control.

 

[fantome profane]

What about drugs that block puberty?

What if a child that knows that they are trans has fundamentalist parents? I am not advocating for full sex change, but puberty blockers can stop irreversible changes from occurring. I put it in the same category as birth control.

That would be why I specified “young children”. As they get older they should be granted more control. What you say about puberty blockers sounds reasonable to me, but I am not going to pretend I am a medical expert.

 

[Subduction Zone]

That would be why I specified “young children”. As they get older they should be granted more control. What you say about puberty blockers sounds reasonable to me, but I am not going to pretend I am a medical expert.

Sorry, I missed that qualifier. And I am far from a medical expert myself. It appears that they do not give out prescriptions to these drugs easily. That was already shown in this thread. Nor does surgery occur without parental support. They earliest case of surgery found was of a seventeen year old that had full support from her parents. So the OP has already been refuted. Now he is just ranting about medical care in general.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Do minors decide to be circumcised?

No, their parents take that choice away to needlessly hack up their child's genitals in a way that serves no use or purpose.

 

[Subduction Zone]

No, their parents take that choice away to needlessly hack up their child's genitals in a way that serves no use or purpose.

I don't know about that. One study I found implied it increases the odds of receiving oral sex. That sounds quite useful to me.

I can't recall if it was because of great taste or less filling.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I don't know about that. One study I found implied it increases the odds of receiving oral sex. That sounds quite useful to me.

So? It's a needless, barbaric practice that involves no consent from the one it's being done to and very rarely does it actually serve a purpose (when it's medically necessary, which is rare).
And it also runs the very real risk of snipping off to much or making the penis less sensitive (which means less sexual pleasure).

 

[Reyn]

No, the age of majority is the age if majority. It does vary from district to district. Commonly 18, but you'd get the question wrong if asked about it on a test.
We don't need institutionalized.

Doesn't seem like it.

How so?

It always amuses me how people assume I hate trans people, simply because I'm against anything done to children for purposes of gender affirmation. This isn't hate, nor does it fit the definition of hate. Even if I was against transition all together for any age, which I'm not, that would still not mean I hate anyone. Do you understand? I don't hate trans people, I judge them on a case by case basis like everyone else, and decide how I feel about them based on the content of their character.

As for curing gender dysphoria. Since it's a something in the brain, perhaps medication or some form of genetic therapy can be developed to erase it entirely, so gender dysphoria individuals can go on to live normal lives as their natal sex.

 

[Subduction Zone]

So? It's a needless, barbaric practice that involves no consent from the one it's being done to and very rarely does it actually serve a purpose (when it's medically necessary, which is rare).
And it also runs the very real risk of snipping off to much or making the penis less sensitive (which means less sexual pleasure).

Well obviously some of us think that some good head is more important than others. And how could anything go wrong during such a simple operation?


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10 Horrifically Botched Circumcisions - Listverse

Hmm, maybe I was wrong.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Well obviously some of us think that some good head is more important than others.

Even where they don't do circumcision the guys still get head. Some people even prefer giving to an uncut man because it tends to take less work and time.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Well obviously some of us think that some good head is more important than others. And how could anything go wrong during such a simple operation?


Baby Dies of Herpes in Ritual Circumcision By Orthodox Jews



10 Horrifically Botched Circumcisions - Listverse

Hmm, maybe I was wrong.

Here is a case that shows not only that circumcision can go wrong, it also shows the anti-trans crowd is very wrong about gender identity.
David Reimer - Wikipedia

 

[Shadow Wolf]

It always amuses me how people assume I hate trans people, simply because I'm against anything done to children for purposes of gender affirmation.

It does include your **** of saying we need institutionalized. It does include you wanting to erase us, do away with us, and make us no more (that's not a cure you promote but destruction of natural diversity). It does include you saying you know better than science and medicine (such as, your "cure" has been tried and failed).

 

[Reyn]

It does include your **** of saying we need institutionalized. It does include you wanting to erase us, do away with us, and make us no more (that's not a cure you promote but destruction of natural diversity). It does include you saying you know better than science and medicine (such as, your "cure" has been tried and failed).

With that logic, we should keep trying to cure cancer because all efforts made in the past have failed. As for institutionalization, I advocate that for anyone who's threatening to end themselves, not just people confused about their gender. Regarding natural diversity, I don't consider disorders to be something we should be protecting. Society should work on curing illness, not normalizing and protecting it. However, I'm sure you'll flip all this around and make something of it which it isn't.

 

[Reyn]

It does include your **** of saying we need institutionalized. It does include you wanting to erase us, do away with us, and make us no more (that's not a cure you promote but destruction of natural diversity). It does include you saying you know better than science and medicine (such as, your "cure" has been tried and failed).

With that logic, we should keep trying to cure cancer because all efforts made in the past have failed. As for institutionalization, I advocate that for anyone who's threatening to end themselves, not just people confused about their gender. Regarding natural diversity, I don't consider disorders to be something we should be protecting. Society should work on curing illness, not normalizing and protecting it. However, I'm sure you'll flip all this around and make something of it which it isn't.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

It always amuses me how people assume I hate trans people, simply because I'm against anything done to children for purposes of gender affirmation. This isn't hate, nor does it fit the definition of hate. Even if I was against transition all together for any age, which I'm not, that would still not mean I hate anyone. Do you understand? I don't hate trans people, I judge them on a case by case basis like everyone else, and decide how I feel about them based on the content of their character.

As for curing gender dysphoria. Since it's a something in the brain, perhaps medication or some form of genetic therapy can be developed to erase it entirely, so gender dysphoria individuals can go on to live normal lives as their natal sex.

This is akin to:
'I don't hate gay people, I just think they should be sent to conversion camps so they can be normal.'

With that logic, we should keep trying to cure cancer because all efforts made in the past have failed. As for institutionalization, I advocate that for anyone who's threatening to end themselves, not just people confused about their gender. Regarding natural diversity, I don't consider disorders to be something we should be protecting. Society should work on curing illness, not normalizing and protecting it. However, I'm sure you'll flip all this around and make something of it which it isn't.

'Confused about their gender' is such a dogwhistle for transphobes. They aren't confused by their gender, you are confused in mistakenly linking sex to gender.

And nevermind that not every trans person has dysphoria and nevermind that many people with disabilities have culture, music art and writing and *would* be sad their unique culture would be destroyed just to 'normalized them.' This isn't true of all disabilities but is especially true of some, like the deaf culture. Where accommodations is much better than forcing a cure (which doesn't even exist) on them.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

With that logic, we should keep trying to cure cancer because all efforts made in the past have failed.

Then why are their survivors?
Again, medicine, science, research. Your opinions aren't even in the same ballpark as what's going on (you can't change the brain).

As for institutionalization, I advocate that for anyone who's threatening to end themselves,

I'm guessing you don't even know how that works. Such as, they don't automatically place anyone who says they want to kill themselves. They are assessments first to determine severity. Sometimes nothing is done, sometimes it's full hospitalization, sometimes its partial hospitalization.

not just people confused about their gender.

Confusion? People still hang on to this idea? Why oh why hasn't this nonsense died yet?
Yes, you hate transsexuals and clearly don't even want us to exist.

Regarding natural diversity, I don't consider disorders to be something we should be protecting.

Why not? I have no issues with being autistic. Why do others?
To quote someone who is a dwarf "I don't suffer from dwarfism, I suffer from other people."
How about you let us decide for ourselves instead of deciding for yourself we shouldn't exist as we are?

 

[Reyn]

This is akin to:
'I don't hate gay people, I just think they should be sent to conversion camps so they can be normal.'

'Confused about their gender' is such a dogwhistle for transphobes. They aren't confused by their gender, you are confused in mistakenly linking sex to gender.

And nevermind that not every trans person has dysphoria and nevermind that many people with disabilities have culture, music art and writing and *would* be sad their unique culture would be destroyed just to 'normalized them.' This isn't true of all disabilities but is especially true of some, like the deaf culture. Where accommodations is much better than forcing a cure (which doesn't even exist) on them.

Don’t compare apples to oranges here and leave the LGB out of it. Sexual orientation isn’t even on the same wavelength as gender dysphoria.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

This is akin to:
'I don't hate gay people, I just think they should be sent to conversion camps so they can be normal.'

'Confused about their gender' is such a dogwhistle for transphobes. They aren't confused by their gender, you are confused in mistakenly linking sex to gender.

And nevermind that not every trans person has dysphoria and nevermind that many people with disabilities have culture, music art and writing and *would* be sad their unique culture would be destroyed just to 'normalized them.' This isn't true of all disabilities but is especially true of some, like the deaf culture. Where accommodations is much better than forcing a cure (which doesn't even exist) on them.

People are such ****s over this "be normal" nonsense I've been discouraged from being ambidextrous (it's always using my left hand that gets people's attention). This is a strength, it's a skill that makes many things easier for me, it's great big nothing beyond that advantage, but no, that's not right, it's wrong, I need to do it the "normal way."

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Don’t compare apples to oranges here and leave the LGB out of it. Sexual orientation isn’t even on the same wavelength as gender dysphoria.

She knows more about it than you do.

 

[Reyn]

Then why are their survivors?
Again, medicine, science, research. Your opinions aren't even in the same ballpark as what's going on (you can't change the brain).


I'm guessing you don't even know how that works. Such as, they don't automatically place anyone who says they want to kill themselves. They are assessments first to determine severity. Sometimes nothing is done, sometimes it's full hospitalization, sometimes its partial hospitalization.

Confusion? People still hang on to this idea? Why oh why hasn't this nonsense died yet?
Yes, you hate transsexuals and clearly don't even want us to exist.

Why not? I have no issues with being autistic. Why do others?
To quote someone who is a dwarf "I don't suffer from dwarfism, I suffer from other people."
How about you let us decide for ourselves instead of deciding for yourself we shouldn't exist as we are?

Again, I don’t think society should be protecting disorders from being called disorders. Furthermore, autism as an identity is absurd.

 

[Reyn]

She knows more about it than you do.

Unlikely.