Nice piece. The journalist describes how AOC is shifting the Overton window without using the phrase Overton window.
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Is Coming for Your Hamburgers!
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Is Coming for Your Hamburgers!
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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Is Coming for Your Hamburgers! (not)
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Shad
Veteran Member
This shift has been argued for years before AOC. AOC has become the icon or target of that shift. She didn't start it.
Argued, yes. With little impact. She seems to actually be shifting the discourse.
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
Too late. All I read was the first eight words of the title and now I reflexively fly into a volcanic rage at the mere mention of Cortez's name.
It took a lot to break me, but I now fully embrace partisan politics (and violence).
Ya gotta zoom out man. It's not about her, it's about the Overton window.
Why?
I hope the FBI is reading these words because to me you have asserted that you are embracing criminal behavior and perhaps terrorism. Now presumably you are just being sarcastic but that kind of statement is just the kind to get law enforcement interested in you.
Audie
Veteran Member
If she is remembered at all it will not be for long.
Why not?
Audie
Veteran Member
I dont think she has any substance to her, and
that her career will be what is known as a
"flash in the pan".
Meanwhile, Trump is serving fast food to another championship team: President Donald Trump serves fast food to another title team, North Dakota State, the FCS champions
Do you agree that she's shifted the conversation? If so, why hasn't anyone done it before her?
Audie
Veteran Member
David Duke shifted the conversation.
Trump shifts it.
Her "12 years" thing may be something she
made up on her own, but some of us think
she is just being put up front like, here, you
tell try this, we will watch.
Audie
Veteran Member
And he is paying for the food, not you and me.Meanwhile, Trump is serving fast food to another championship team: President Donald Trump serves fast food to another title team, North Dakota State, the FCS champions
David Duke's conversation is small potatoes compared to this.
trump is president, AOC is a freshman.
Let me rephrase a bit: why has no one in congress shifted the conversation like AOC?
Audie
Veteran Member
How would I know? Maybe they dont want to flame out.
I am aware that no two people or situations are the
same, but you said "shift the conversation" which
is very vague and general-what does it even mean?
And how much does it take to be a "shift"?
I dont think she can keep up such momentum as
she has. She strikes me as an intellectual flyweight.
The big shots do not like being upstaged.
Lets see if they use her and cast her aside.
Well let me ask you this - do think that the way that she's shifted the conversation in DC is a step in the right direction?
My take is that we're facing some really massive and urgent problems (climate change, oligarchy, a weakened middle class, a fragile economy and infrastructure..), and that "business as usual" in DC is too slow and clunky to tackle these problems effectively. It strikes me that unless DC really gets into high gear, we're headed for a violent revolution in this country.
I think AOC has made more progress in shifting the conversation to the urgency of these problems than anyone else in DC.
Stanyon
WWMRD?
Who do you think will be at the forefront of this violent revolution?
Audie
Veteran Member
Perhaps. But if part of the plan is to "shift" fence sitters
or others not on board with the topic, she will probably do
more to discredit than win support.
here are some thoughts cut and pasted from a mysterious source
“If people want to really blow up one figure here or one word there, I would argue that they’re missing the forest for the trees. I think that there’s a lot of people more concerned about being precisely, factually, and semantically correct than about being morally right.”
This demonstrates a lack of respect for facts. We as citizens deserve accurate figures and information from our elected officials in order to make sound decisions on policy. This disregard for the facts is not tolerated by my Party when it comes to the Presidents disregard for the facts. It should not be tolerated for a junior Congresswoman.
AOC’s lack of policy experience and education is glaringly obvious. On social media and by liberal pundits, she seems beyond reproach. Criticism of her is often met with accusations of racial, age, or gender bias. Outgoing Senator Claire McCaskill was chided recently for stating that AOC has talked a lot, but has yet to put anything to action. This was before AOC was even seated as a Congresswoman; she was stating the obvious that AOC could not yet put words to action. Yet McCaskill was criticized harshly.
AOC has been in Congress a week (168 hours). And yet today, I have seen calls on social media for her to run for President. I have seen her speaking compared to JFK. I have seen her compared to Abraham Lincoln. And before comments on social media are dismissed, it should be remembered that social media played a large part in the 2016 election and the current dumpster fire we find ourselves in now.
All of the hype surrounding AOC will leave the left extremely vulnerable to attack from the right in the next 18 months in the run-up to the general election. I have seen many say that the right is scared of her because she is an empowered woman of color. I believe that AOC, and her naïveté, is a gift to right wing pundits however.
AOC’s ideas may be noble. And she may represent ideas that this generation can get behind. That is not what my CMV is about. I believe however that being a Congresswoman is like any other job. Would you walk into a new job (your career at that), and begin making waves and shouting from the rooftops about changes that should be made? Or would you observe for awhile, and learn your new position before you begin to reinvent the wheel? Congress is full of rules, tradition, a hierarchy, and procedure. Not to mention the process of running an office with staff, and a district with constituents that have concerns that don’t involve railing against the President.
In closing, I see some similarities when it comes to AOC and other politicians that fizzled out or horribly embarrassed their respective party. I see a general disregard for facts in furtherance of ideology, hyperbolic public statements and tweets, a cult of personality where valid criticism is not welcome by supporters, and an eagerness to garner fame and publicity instead of focusing on learning the responsibilities of the position she was elected to fulfill.