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Aliens (again)

frg001

frg001

Complex bunch of atoms
I think I might have mentioned this a while back. But I was thinking about it again recently.

My stance on a supernatural, all powerful creator of 'everything' is pretty firm - it's as likely as the tooth fairy or dragons and unicorns.

BUT. I was looking at figures for the possible number of planets/stars/solar systems recently, and given current knowledge there could be 10's of trillions of planetary systems...and probably at least BILLIONS of habitable planets...and that assumes habitable is habitable by similar life as ourselves...

SO. I absolutely believe their is alien life in the universe. That's not the issue though.
There are almost certainly more advanced beings than ourselves.
In fact I would imagine that it would be entirely possible for some of the beings to populate a planet full of genetically created beings, and watch them.
I mean, imagine the rate at which human knowledge has come on in the last 100/50/10/5 years... It seems almost exponential...so what about in 100/1000/10000 years from now?
So long as we survive, then I think the possibilities are endless...So if only a few million more planets in the universe are populated (which I doubt - more like billions), then surely some of them would have 1000's, 1000,000's years more evolutionary progress?

So although I am antirely atheist, I must leave a tiny space in my potential beliefs for the possibility we were 'PUT HERE'


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Melissa G

Melissa G

Non Veritas Verba Amanda
If you know so much about space, you'll also know you cannot travel faster than light. Quite probably you can't get anywhere near light speed as mass increases with velocity. I find it possible life exists somewhere else in the universe, but it is pure speculation. You beliefs have zero rational basis.

Melissa
 
frg001

frg001

Complex bunch of atoms
Melissa G said:
If you know so much about space, you'll also know you cannot travel faster than light. Quite probably you can't get anywhere near light speed as mass increases with velocity. I find it possible life exists somewhere else in the universe, but it is pure speculation. You beliefs have zero rational basis.

Melissa
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Excuse me?

There are many theories for 'faster than light travel', and us mere humans have come up with them, just like a mere human came up with the rule of 'not being able to travel faster than light' - and that in the last 100 years... of 100's of thousands... Do you really think that IS IT?
 
Buttercup

Buttercup

Veteran Member
Melissa G said:
If you know so much about space, you'll also know you cannot travel faster than light. Quite probably you can't get anywhere near light speed as mass increases with velocity. I find it possible life exists somewhere else in the universe, but it is pure speculation. You beliefs have zero rational basis.
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Perhaps alien species have figured out a way to use, "black holes" much the way we use short cuts on surface streets.
 
methylatedghosts

methylatedghosts

Can't brain. Has dumb.
I like to think that there is more to travel than mechanics. And that this way we can travel faster than the speed of light. But then, that's probably what my imaginary friends tell me :p
 
Super Universe

Super Universe

Defender of God
Melissa G said:
You beliefs have zero rational basis.
Melissa
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Zero rational basis? Actually he presented quite a rational argument, only he did not give credit to the originator of the theory known as the Drake Equation.

And, you don't know as much about the universe as you think you do. Light speed is only the speed limit in space/time.

I'd like to expand on your theory a bit frg001. Perhaps one group of "aliens" goes around the universe planting life experiments based on the suitability of the host planet. Essentially, this one group might be the original beings, the first ones to evolve into the highest dimension and find God. They might be working for God now. They would be what the ancients called "angels".

Now, there might be many other "aliens" who have evolved on planets from previous life experiments. These others would do whatever they want and often interfere with new life experiments. Since the universe has free will the original group will not prevent their other creations from interfering but they are not necessarily happy about it.
 
GreenKepi

GreenKepi

Member
I'm I misunderstanding (?). What's time travel have to do with other life forms that are quite possibly out there somewhere...?
 
methylatedghosts

methylatedghosts

Can't brain. Has dumb.
technological advancement. It is possible that other life forms are more advanced than us. Some believe they've visited us - and so, travelling really really quick is kinda essential. Some people dont believe they've visited us - and so, travelling really really quick doesn't really matter so much.

And if they've visited, that means they exist. If they haven't visited, then they could exist, or maybe not.
 
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davidishere

Member
Astronomers have predicted that they will find alien life, like around 2030 - 2040. I hope i'll be alive then, so i can say, 'I told you', to the people who said they don't exist. I can't imagine how Earth could be the only planet to have life. In a universe with more planets than the grains of sand in every beach on Earth, i can't imagine how anyone can say, 'It's improbable for alien life to exist'.
 
yossarian22

yossarian22

Resident Schizophrenic
Melissa G said:
If you know so much about space, you'll also know you cannot travel faster than light.
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It is believed so, but we certainly can screw around with alot. Hell, it may have been broken by a couple of German scientists. But there has been a resounding lack of followup papers
Quite probably you can't get anywhere near light speed as mass increases with velocity.
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You can't reach light speed, but you can get so close the difference is meaningless. Besides, even half the speed of life is enough to get us to another system, assuming we spend enough resources on it.
I find it possible life exists somewhere else in the universe, but it is pure speculation. You beliefs have zero rational basis.
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It is quite probable that there is life somewhere else in the universe. There are trillions upon trillions of planets.
 
frg001

frg001

Complex bunch of atoms
Although I am aware of the Drakes equation, it doesn't really affect my thinking.
I simply think the liklehood of earth being the only one of at least many trillions of other planets that has spawned life, is as good as zero.
For me, it is typical of human arrogance to think we are alone. And if other planets have spawned life, then there is reason to believe that evolution will be at work in a similar manner as on ours.
And if you do the maths, the chances are that millions of thos planets will have had longer to evolve than us.
So it is entirely possible that aliens who have discovered how to manipulate space/time, could have not only visited us, but CREATED us.

Super Universe said:
I'd like to expand on your theory a bit frg001. Perhaps one group of "aliens" goes around the universe planting life experiments based on the suitability of the host planet. Essentially, this one group might be the original beings, the first ones to evolve into the highest dimension and find God. They might be working for God now. They would be what the ancients called "angels".
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My own belief system as good as completely discounts of a single 'creator of the universe' - Although I guess that the more advanced aliens in the universe would indeed seem like gods to us.
 
Jayhawker Soule

Jayhawker Soule

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Premium Member
frg001 said:
And if you do the maths, the chances are that millions of thos planets will have had longer to evolve than us. So it is entirely possible that aliens who have discovered how to manipulate space/time, could have not only visited us, but CREATED us.
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... a statement laced with ignorance and fallacy.
 
Luke_17:2

Luke_17:2

Fundamental Bible-thumper
If I were anything other then a Christian, I'd most definitely believe in aliens. If evolution happened on this planet, why not others?

I don't understand why people make fun of those who claim to have been abducted by aliens, and who've claimed to see aliens. Isn't it arrogant for an atheist to assume we're the only ones in the universe? As a matter of fact, isn't it arrogance 7 for anyone to assume so, excepting those people whose faith doesn't allow it? Of course it is. There are most definitely aliens if we're incorrect regarding religion. But even if the existence of aliens were proven, it wouldn't even close to shattering my faith, though I doubt their existence now, and would be surprised if their existence were proven.

The argument that it's impossible to travel interstellar distances is non sequitur. Technological advances open doors we didn't even no existed before. For example, 200 years ago they woud have denied the possibility of computers, let alone the possibility of us going to the moon.

All in all, I don't know how any atheist or any deistic evolutionist can deny the existence of aliens.
 
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