Aliens (again)

[Melissa G]

Is there anyother way of crossing the vastness of space ? as fast as light speed is more appropriate than faster than light, in anycase Einstein ruled that out. Clearly because as a vessel speeds up, it's gains mass, thus requiring more and more energy to drive it. No known energy source can increase itself proportionately to increasing mass.

Melissa

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

It's just that your responses have been incredibly irrelevent grunts.

And what part of

Evolution is not a ladder but a sieve. You are not the acme of evolutionary progress, but the unintended consequence of happenstance.

do you find "irrelevent", wrong, or circular?

 

[frg001]

Is there anyother way of crossing the vastness of space ? as fast as light speed is more appropriate than faster than light, in anycase Einstein ruled that out. Clearly because as a vessel speeds up, it's gains mass, thus requiring more and more energy to drive it. No known energy source can increase itself proportionately to increasing mass.

Melissa

This is purely current knowledge.
100 years ago what did humans think of the possibilty of flight?/space travel?/The internet?

And even if we allow Einstein to be absolutely right, we have theories for bending space/time...
Although the theory of special relativity forbids objects to have a relative velocity greater than light speed, and general relativity reduces to special relativity in a local sense (in small regions of spacetime where curvature is negligible), general relativity does allow the space between distant objects to expand in such a way that they have a "recession velocity" which exceeds the speed of light, and it is thought that galaxies which are at a distance of more than about 14 billion light years from us today have a recession velocity which is faster than light.[11] Miguel Alcubierre theorized that it would be possible to create what is called an Alcubierre drive, in which a ship would be enclosed in a "warp bubble" where the space at the front of the bubble is rapidly contracting and the space at the back is rapidly expanding, with the result that the bubble can reach a distant destination much faster than a light beam moving outside the bubble, but without objects inside the bubble locally travelling faster than light. However, several objections raised against the Alcubierre drive appear to rule out the possibility of actually using it in any practical fashion. Another possibility predicted by general relativity is the traversable wormhole, which could create a shortcut between arbitrarily distant points in space. As with the Alcubierre drive, travelers moving through the wormhole would not locally move faster than light which travels through the wormhole alongside them, but they would be able to reach their destination (and return to their starting location) faster than light traveling outside the wormhole.

 

[yossarian22]

Is there anyother way of crossing the vastness of space ?

Yes. By moving across it. It will just take a very long time

as fast as light speed is more appropriate than faster than light, in anycase Einstein ruled that out.

We can get close enough to it that the difference is negligible

Clearly because as a vessel speeds up, it's gains mass, thus requiring more and more energy to drive it.

You mean accelerate it. Continuous energy is not needed to maintain speed.

 

[Melissa G]

Yes. sorry accelerate.

 

[Super Universe]

might, could be, maybe, not really much of a basis for anything is it ? The Universe has free will, so you think the universe has a mind ?

The laws of relativity cannot be broken, I believe Einstein has already demonstrated this, anything else is just wishful thinking.

Melissa G

A child looks to the sky at the birds and wonders. What does it know about how they can fly? Nothing, yet...

The laws of relativity cannot be broken? No, but you can go around them. Space/time is not a void, it is made of something. When you know what it is made of you can then manipulate it.

You will not move through it but simply move it out of your way and travel at speeds many times EMR without ever exceeding the speed of EMR through the substance you call space/time.

 

[logician]

This is purely current knowledge.
100 years ago what did humans think of the possibilty of flight?/space travel?/The internet?

And you are assuming that "knowing more" will suddenly do away with the constraints of near-lightspeed travel. This may not be true at all.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

You will not move through it but simply move it out of your way and travel at speeds many times EMR without ever exceeding the speed of EMR through the substance you call space/time.

Honest. He got it straight from the spacelings themselves, and you can't get more authoritative than that!

 

[frg001]

And you are assuming that "knowing more" will suddenly do away with the constraints of near-lightspeed travel. This may not be true at all.

It may not. But it may. And we don't really know yet. But even with those constraints the theories exist as has been mentioned. To travel sub-light, but manipulating space-time as you go.
Who knows? Not us mere humans, but I just accept the fact that humans have a GREAT DEAL more to find out about the truth of the universe, and its laws.

 

[Super Universe]

Honest. He got it straight from the spacelings themselves, and you can't get more authoritative than that!

Your mind is so closed, you're dead, just too stubborn to admit it.

 

[frg001]

Honest. He got it straight from the spacelings themselves, and you can't get more authoritative than that!

Yeah way to go. A great debating tool... ridicule...and with zero backup. Why do you even bother?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

One more time from Chuck:

Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, and not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science.

-- Charles Darwin, Introduction to The Descent of Man (1871)​

 

[frg001]

One more time from Chuck:

Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, and not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science.​

-- Charles Darwin, Introduction to The Descent of Man (1871)​

Not that posting quotes from any source EVER proves anything...

Your quote would actually back up my position.
I don't know much in the scheme of things, but I would suggest personally that science will INDEED find answers for everything, eventually.

 

[Sjattuh]

We seem to forget 1 thing...

It is assumed, not proven, there are trillions and trillions of planets. We can only so see so far and maybe there is something 'around' the universe that limets it. And maybe we just havn't been able to look that far yet.

It's all theory. The only fact there is is that it is possible for life to excist that requires oxygen and nutrician if circumstances are correct.

For all we know there are gasform lifeforms.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

The laws of relativity cannot be broken, I believe Einstein has already demonstrated this, anything else is just wishful thinking.
Melissa G

The relativity theory has been well tested and as far as it goes has yet to be improved upon.
However Einstein was working on the unified field theory to the day he died with out success. he was doing so because he recognised relativity was not the whole answer.

He propose worm holes as being able to directly span vast distances of space with out the need for light speed travel.
We know far to little about dimensions, time, matter and space to be dogmatic about the possibility of inter stellar travel.

I have no doubt that advanced aliens do exist, but I rather doubt that they have reached this insignificant outpost in the universe even if they have got the technology.

There is nothing anti Christian about contemplating the existence of other intelligent alien lifeforms. It is something that Christianity will one day have to come to terms with.

 

[yossarian22]

Yes. sorry accelerate.

Right. Now, there are several proposed mechanisms which, based on today's technology, could give a spacecraft a speed of slightly under half the speed of light. It could have been done in the 60s. The only issue is designing a craft that can operate for hundreds of years.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

While it is no doubt fun to chat about space travel, you must first have reason to believe it likely that extraterrestrial species exist with the interest and capacity to even attempt such a thing, and I see no basis for such an assumption other than naivete and a fundamental misunderstanding of evolution.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

The only issue is designing a craft that can operate for hundreds of years.

Perhaps a species could do it in increments instead. Colonize planets or build space stations as they go.

 

[yossarian22]

Perhaps a species could do it in increments instead. Colonize planets or build space stations as they go.

That is the whole idea behind it. Launching an interstellar ship off of earth is an impossibility due to the amount of energy needed to get off the planet. Of course we need to find a systema worth going to first.

 

[yossarian22]

While it is no doubt fun to chat about space travel, you must first have reason to believe it likely that extraterrestrial species exist with the interest and capacity to even attempt such a thing,

What does the existence of aliens have to exist for space travel? Interplanetary planet has far more benefit to us than interstellar, but that will eventually change.