Other Person's Response: If a person had insomnia, and he had the thought of being sleepy, then that thought can't make him sleepy. He'd need to take some sleep medication to restore his feeling of sleepiness. That way, he can be sleepy again. Likewise, when a clinically depressed person is unable to feel wanting or liking, and he had the thought of wanting or liking something, then that thought can't make him want or like that thing. He'd need to take some antidepressants to restore his feelings of wanting and liking, so he can want and like things again.
My Reply: Right. Also, that sleep analogy does work. But, the difference being that a feeling of sleepiness isn't an emotional state, and wanting and liking are emotional states.
Other Person's Response: Since love, happiness, and perceptions of beauty are also emotions, then a clinically depressed person would need to take antidepressants to restore those emotions as well, wouldn't he?
My Reply: Yes.
Other Person's Response: Here's a link that talks about positive emotions being the reward wanting and liking in the brain:
We have found a special hedonic hotspot that is crucial for reward 'liking' and 'wanting' (and codes reward learning too). The opioid hedonic hotspot is shown in red above. It works together with another hedonic hotspot in the more famous nucleus accumbens to generate pleasure 'liking'.
‘Liking’ and ‘wanting’ food rewards: Brain substrates and roles in eating disorders
Kent C. Berridge 2009 Mar 29.
‘Liking’ and ‘wanting’ food rewards: Brain substrates and roles in eating disorders
Here's another article as well:
Dissecting components of reward: ‘liking’, ‘wanting’, and learning
My Reply: Thanks for sharing.
Other Person's Response: Since emotions are feelings of wanting, liking, and disliking, then that means emotions possess qualities of wanting, liking, and disliking, which makes emotions wanting, liking, and disliking.
My Reply: Yes, and the same idea applies to emotions being good, bad, beauty, horror, love, happiness, compassion, etc. Our emotions possess those qualities as well.
Other Person's Response: Our emotions are nothing more than just feelings. They don't possess any of the qualities mentioned above.
My Reply: I think people who say this are delusional and in denial because my personal experience says emotions do possess those qualities.
Other Person's Response: Since positive emotions are the only perceptions of goodness, beauty, and awesomeness, and since they're the reward wanting and liking, then that means we see goodness, beauty, and awesomeness in things through rewarding feelings of wanting and liking.
My Reply: Yes. Also, when you, for example, have the thought that something is good, and said thought isn't just a thought that this thing is good, but is something you want or like, then that thought would normally make you feel good, and that good feeling would be a feeling of wanting or liking. But, like I said, there are circumstances that can prevent that thought from making you feel that emotion, such as having clinical depression, emotional trauma, mental fatigue, etc.
Other Person's Response: So, when thoughts make us feel emotions, the qualities that our thoughts possess become emotional qualities? That's why a good thought of wanting or liking becomes a good feeling of wanting or liking?
My Reply: Yes. But, remember, the thoughts alone can't be good, wanting, liking, disliking, beauty, horror, love, hate, etc. Only our emotions can. So, our thoughts alone don't actually possess any of those qualities. Rather, they're simply ideas of those qualities. It's our emotions that possess those qualities. Therefore, our thoughts alone don't possess any loving, hateful, good, bad, horrific, etc. power, and only our emotions do.
Other Person's Response: I really hope science finds cures in the future for depression and other mental illnesses that take away our ability to feel positive emotions. That way, people can have their love, happiness, goodness, beauty, wanting, liking, etc. restored back to them.
My Reply: Right. Also, if I had a cure for this recent, emotional trauma I've had, then I would've been cured the exact moment I had the trauma, which means I wouldn't have to go through all that misery, negativity, and absence of positive emotions. It took a very long time for me to recover from this emotional trauma, which means I had to wait for my positive emotions to return, and I had to endure through all that suffering. It was no way to live or be a composer for me, and I could've avoided all that waiting and suffering if I had a cure right then and there.
Other Person's Response: The astral plane (the plane corresponding to the emotional body) is considered as the plane of duality. It is, therefore, difficult to only feel positive emotions without also feeling so-called negative emotions. The yogic path teaches the cultivation of emotional serenity, so that we become free from all emotions.
This does not make us cold and uncaring. Qualities, such as love, compassion, joy, and humor are not considered as emotional states. Instead, these are seen as qualities of the Soul, or Consciousness. When the emotional body is serene and still, then these Soul qualities can be expressed without distortion.
I would suggest that consciousness is beyond all intellect and emotions. The qualities of beauty, joy, love, compassion, etc. arise spontaneously out of consciousness. These qualities may be reflected on an intellectual and emotional level. But, these are just reflections.
My Reply: Based upon my personal experience, I've concluded that these qualities are emotional, and I'd need a new personal experience to convince me otherwise.
Other Person's Response: When people claim these qualities aren't emotional, such as when they say they've obtained a state of happiness through yoga meditation, claim that said happiness isn't emotional, and say this happiness is instead a Soul quality, do you think this happiness is, in fact, emotional? So, do you think they're just getting a powerful, profound feeling of happiness from their meditation that they claim is non-emotional, when it's really emotional?
My Reply: That could be the case. No matter how powerful and profound of an emotion a person is feeling, that person shouldn't make the mistake of assuming that this feeling is something that transcends emotion, when that feeling was an emotion all along.
Other Person's Response: It could be the case that people are having powerful, positive, subconscious thoughts during their meditation that make them feel powerful, positive emotions, and they claim they're having powerful, positive experiences that are neither intellectual nor emotional, when these positive experiences were positive emotions all along.
My Reply: Right.
Other Person's Response: If a person claimed he had no ability to feel any emotions, he did certain tasks, and said these tasks mattered to him, then he must've felt some level of emotion, even though he didn't realize it.
My Reply: Right.