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All religions: one and the same?

Are all religions one and the same to you?


  • Total voters
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Sundance

pursuing the Divine Beloved
Premium Member
While the goal of many if not all religions are similar, I don't think all religions are the same. I mean, if everyone followed the same path, and there was no other path to follow, there would be not much to talk about and nothing to discover.... religion isn't like that and it's beautiful to discover. Because it answers questions that one might have... one religion may not satisfy all the answers one person has, while another will give them everything about themselves in front of their very eyes. I personally think it shows us how unique every person is.


I think it's the wording of this response, but your perspective, @SabahTheLoner, makes me feel optimistic. Thank you! :D:D:D
 

Sundance

pursuing the Divine Beloved
Premium Member
There are commonalities in all religions, I'd say, not least but because all religion is an attempt to make sense of the reality we experience. All religion talks about the "unseen" (sure they may mention the "seen" but only as a pointer to the "greater unseen" behind it). After that though, there is massive diversity in approaches to explain our existence, from religions that have room for atheism, to those that insist on a personal deity of some description.
So, the honest answer is no, they are not all the same, that's where my vote went.

I can understand your perspective, HBB. Thank you for your response! :)
 

Sundance

pursuing the Divine Beloved
Premium Member
No. The only commonality I see is a belief in a deity or deities, devotion to that deity, and a goal of uniting with or seeing that deity after this life. It's the practices, dogma, doctrines and requirements that are vastly different, and often at odds. For example, in no way are Aztec religion (even as practiced today, even removing human sacrifice) and Jainism similar, comparable or compatible.


While I'm in no place to say that any one religion is more or less beautiful than another, Jainarayan, I do think your perspective is very interesting. Thank you! ;)
 

Sundance

pursuing the Divine Beloved
Premium Member
No they are not all the same. It's ridiculous to claim otherwise. Nobody will ever think of asking
Are all ways of cooking the same?
Are all languages the same?
Are all technology the same?
Are all cultures the same?
Are all kinds of music the same?
Are all fruits the same?

It's that obvious that they are not. That does not mean there are no elements in them that are comparable in some sense (just like all other examples above). They do and hence they are all classified as religions.


Groovy, sayak. I thank you for your contribution to the thread! :)
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
Hey, everyone. ^^ Peace.

Uhhh.....recently, I've been back and forth in my mind about this, but I can't really figure it out. On the one hand, I do feel like something's at the root of all of it, but simultaneously, I question whether or not the notion is misguided and runs the risk of homogenizing vastly different spheres of religious experience. What about you all? Where do you sit or stand here? Do you feel like all religions are one or do you feel the notion is misguided?

ideas are sieved through cultures, languages, and overall human experiences. ideas alone are not personal; unless defined, or judged personal by the person having the experience.

The All in all is only personal to the All that it is.
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
I'm not sure I'd say the notion is misguided as much as I would say it is just plain wrong. The typical motivations behind making this claim are far from misguided. Some people believe that to promote camaraderie amongst peoples, you have to find common ground. Naturally, the people who believe this might seek that common ground within what has historically been one of the most divisive elements of human cultures: religion. What I would suggest these people do is recognize that you do not need common ground to promote camaraderie. There is no need to promote false unity. There is far more to be learned from differences and diversity than the monotonous sameness that is unity.
I like this very much, Quinty.

Wrestling down Scientology as being the same as the Amish faith is stretching credulity to such an extent as to make a New Age Pagan blush. I do like the idea that we do not need to think the same or believe the same things in order to work together.
 

Sundance

pursuing the Divine Beloved
Premium Member
I like this very much, Quinty.

Wrestling down Scientology as being the same as the Amish faith is stretching credulity to such an extent as to make a New Age Pagan blush. I do like the idea that we do not need to think the same or believe the same things in order to work together.

Indeed, Ymir. I agree.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
My answer is between two other ones.

The core is shared as the small book I have illustrates: "Oneness Great Principles Shared By All Religions". These include the Golden Rule, for example. So all religions are paths to God or Truth (if one prefers not using the word God).

The theology of all religions differs as clothing one puts on the 'naked truth' differs.
 
The goal of life is to evolve and grow. The ceiling of this scale of progression is perfection of the multibody complex (energy body, physical body, etc). Reaching perfection is what Godhood TRULY entails, and has always meant. It has nothing to do with an all-encompassing omnipotent skydaddy or anything. No - the ancients all understood that Godhood means to perfect thy self and that GOD is within thyself. The point of Satanism is to reach perfection - this means perfection of self, perfection of species, perfection of environment, and ultimately, spreading our perfection to other species and star systems. This is what growth entails.

In my opinion, no, ALL religions that exist and ever have existed are not the same to their core, for example if Pre-Abrahamic Paganism (Satanism) was compared to the abrahamic religions (christianity, islam, judaism). Why do you ask? Are you considering Omnism?
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Hey, everyone. ^^ Peace.

Uhhh.....recently, I've been back and forth in my mind about this, but I can't really figure it out. On the one hand, I do feel like something's at the root of all of it, but simultaneously, I question whether or not the notion is misguided and runs the risk of homogenizing vastly different spheres of religious experience. What about you all? Where do you sit or stand here? Do you feel like all religions are one or do you feel the notion is misguided?

I actually don't separate it as "one vs. misguided" just one is different than another. When you say one is misguided and the other isn't, it puts a "right and wrong" frame or perspective. It's contradicting the notion of being one.

The best we can do is

1. Change our perspectives: Why one vs. misguided? Vs/Or words like that divide. Instead, change it to "How is 'being one' beneficial compared to diversity?" How can these two things together help society as a whole?

Take out "more than/better than" etc. Oneness doesn't have these words. Oneness doesn't contrast, it compares.

2. Change your language: Diversity and differences is positive; division and disunion is negative. Collaboration and partnership is positive. In my opinion, oneness and sameness is negative. How can we change our language and conversations that do not foster separation as "right/wrong" type thinking? Take out the separate but equal.

3. Learn and interact: What do these religions actually do? I feel
when you actually go to a Temple, a Mosque, a Church, and so forth you get better perspective on the difference between misguided and just, different.

Change your perspective.

I feel all religions can work together towards the same goal. I also feel all religions are one is contradicting the nature of what a lot of these religions' teach. None of these two are misguided. The former is my opinion. The latter is a fact.

Nothing wrong with that. Nothing right.

Why does it have to be either/or? Oneness isn't about that, right?
 
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suncowiam

Well-Known Member
I like this very much, Quinty.

Wrestling down Scientology as being the same as the Amish faith is stretching credulity to such an extent as to make a New Age Pagan blush. I do like the idea that we do not need to think the same or believe the same things in order to work together.

You're saying this from an outside perspective. But for those that follow these respective religions, they probably have the same faith and conviction.

Scientology might have started as a scam, but it's truly a religion given not how the creator created it but how the followers follow it.
 

Sundance

pursuing the Divine Beloved
Premium Member
I actually don't separate it as "one vs. misguided" just one is different than another. When you say one is misguided and the other isn't, it puts a "right and wrong" frame or perspective. It's contradicting the notion of being one.

The best we can do is

1. Change our perspectives: Why one vs. misguided? Vs/Or words like that divide. Instead, change it to "How is 'being one' beneficial compared to diversity?" How can these two things together help society as a whole?

Take out "more than/better than" etc. Oneness doesn't have these words. Oneness doesn't contrast, it compares.

2. Change your language: Diversity and differences is positive; division and disunion is negative. Collaboration and partnership is positive. In my opinion, oneness and sameness is negative. How can we change our language and conversations that do not foster separation as "right/wrong" type thinking? Take out the separate but equal.

3. Learn and interact: What do these religions actually do? I feel
when you actually go to a Temple, a Mosque, a Church, and so forth you get better perspective on the difference between misguided and just, different.

Change your perspective.

I feel all religions can work together towards the same goal. I also feel all religions are one is contradicting the nature of what a lot of these religions' teach. None of these two are misguided. The former is my opinion. The latter is a fact.

Nothing wrong with that. Nothing right.

Why does it have to be either/or? Oneness isn't about that, right?


My dearest Carlita, your response gives me an enlightening direction to consider. Thank you. :)
 

Sundance

pursuing the Divine Beloved
Premium Member
The goal of life is to evolve and grow. The ceiling of this scale of progression is perfection of the multibody complex (energy body, physical body, etc). Reaching perfection is what Godhood TRULY entails, and has always meant. It has nothing to do with an all-encompassing omnipotent skydaddy or anything. No - the ancients all understood that Godhood means to perfect thy self and that GOD is within thyself. The point of Satanism is to reach perfection - this means perfection of self, perfection of species, perfection of environment, and ultimately, spreading our perfection to other species and star systems. This is what growth entails.

In my opinion, no, ALL religions that exist and ever have existed are not the same to their core, for example if Pre-Abrahamic Paganism (Satanism) was compared to the abrahamic religions (christianity, islam, judaism). Why do you ask? Are you considering Omnism?


No, @Serpent Child, I'm in a process of reevaluating my entire belief system.
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
You're saying this from an outside perspective. But for those that follow these respective religions, they probably have the same faith and conviction.

Scientology might have started as a scam, but it's truly a religion given not how the creator created it but how the followers follow it.
Hehe. If you say so.
 

Kemosloby

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Using only the Force and no critical thought my feelings lead me back and forth, The Evil Empires' One World Religion or Jesus, Evil Empire or Jesus....Who is my Father?
 

syo

Well-Known Member
all religions speak about living in peace and living in high ethical standards. also all religions speak about the unknown. their approach has similarities and differences. people shouldn't shun the differences, I think.
 

Native

Free Natural Philosopher & Comparative Mythologist
I think it is very telling that some people judges all religions out from their own religious dogmatic heritage, but there are much more to it.

Most of the older religions have their own Story of Creation and even smaller or larger ancient tribes all over the world also have their Stories of Creation.

When studying Comparative Religion and Comparative Mythology it is very obvious that the very basics are equal in all these stories and this is very logical as:

We all live on the same planet Earth, in the same Solar System, in the same Milky Way galaxy and in the same local part of the observable Universe. No matter what you call your local god or goddess, it is the very same creative forces who have created these conditions.

This is the very basics in all religious and mythological telling of the Creation.

All the cross-cultural stories of creation is of course common for all humans and it is just local priests and holders of powers who have interpreted different religious matters in their own favor.

As an example of the numerous global Stories of Creation, the Egyptian telling in the Ogdoad, works very fine. Link - Ogdoad - Wikipedia

Quote: “The eight deities were arranged in four male-female pairs: Nu and Naunet, Amun and Amaunet, Kuk and Kauket, Huh and Hauhet. The males were associated with frogs and females were associated with snakes. Apart from their gender, there was little to distinguish the male gods and female goddesses; indeed, the names of the females are merely derivative female forms of the male name.

Essentially, each pair represents the male and female aspect of one of the four concepts of primordial chaos, namely the primordial waters (Nu and Naunet), air, invisibility, and hidden powers (Amun and Amaunet), darkness and obscurity (Kuk and Kauket), and eternity or infinity (Huh and Hauhet)”.

My comment: The ancient Egyptian here describes both the prime creative qualities and the elementary cosmic conditions. The term of "Primordial Waters" can be directly interpreted to resemble the modern term of "cosmic clouds of gas and dust" from which everything in our Milky Way galaxy is created in the Milky Way center, symbolized by the prime god Amun-Ra,

These gendered deities represents “opposite but complementary qualities and elementary stages” which corresponds to the electromagnetic polarities as the prime forces of creation. And as Huh and Hauhet represents Eternity and Infinity, this states the Universe to be eternal – but filled with conditions which changes forever between assembling and dissolving and re-assembling. This of course contradicts the modern cosmological idea of a Big Bang on a linear time scale.

IMO we shal focus on what is common in all religions and myths - and have in mind that local differences are human made dogmatics which stems from forgotten myths or local misinterpretations of the ancent myths.

Read more here -
Mythical and Cosmological Creation Symbols - http://vixra.org/pdf/1603.0078v1.pdf
 
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