F0uad
Well-Known Member
True i will remember next time.
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All Terrorists are Muslims...Except the 94% that Arent!
- Thread starter Sahar
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Father Heathen
Veteran Member
When has resorting to terrorism accomplished anything other than tarnishing the image of what you're trying to represent?
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
I'm pretty sure it always accomplishes what it's supposed to: a psychotic expression and release of self-justified hatred and fear for those who carry out the acts. Of course, everyone would be a lot better off if they just went to a therapist like normal people.
F0uad
Well-Known Member
This goes both ways?
Tranquil Servant
Was M.I.A for a while
I found these two articles very disturbing...
Political Strategy - Politics, Strategies, Tactics, News and Opinion
Seven countries in five years - Salon.com
what's more disturbing is that these articles aren't recent.
Political Strategy - Politics, Strategies, Tactics, News and Opinion
Seven countries in five years - Salon.com
what's more disturbing is that these articles aren't recent.
faithglendale
Member
[FONT=Courier New, sans-serif]Here are quite a few examples:
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[FONT=Courier New, sans-serif]IV.88. -Do you wish to guide him whom Allah has caused to err? And whomsoever Allah causes to err, you shall by no means find a way for him. They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved-; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly their homes in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.89.[/FONT]
[FONT=Courier New, sans-serif]VIII.12. When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.[/FONT]
[FONT=Courier New, sans-serif]VIII.55. Surely the vilest of animals in Allah's sight are those who disbelieve, then they would not believe. Those with whom you make an agreement, then they break their agreement every time and they do not guard against punishment. Therefore if you overtake them in fighting, then scatter by making an example of them those who are in the rear, that they may be mindful.57.[/FONT]
[FONT=Courier New, sans-serif]VIII.65. O Prophet! urge the believers to war; if there are twenty patient ones of you they shall overcome two hundred, and if there are a hundred of you they shall overcome a thousand of those who disbelieve-.[/FONT]
[FONT=Courier New, sans-serif]VIII.67. It is not fit for a prophet that he should take captives unless he has fought and triumphed in the land; you desire the frail goods of this world, while Allah desires for you the hereafter-. 73: And as for those who disbelieve, some of them are the guardians of others; if you will not do it, there will be in the land persecution and great mischief. [/FONT]
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[FONT=Courier New, sans-serif]IX.5. So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.[/FONT]
[FONT=Courier New, sans-serif]73. O prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination.[/FONT]
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[FONT=Courier New, sans-serif]XXXIII.60. If the hypocrites and those in whose hearts is a disease and the agitators in the city do not desist, We shall most certainly set you over them, then they shall not be your neighbors in it but for a little while; cursed: wherever they are found they shall be seized and murdered, a horrible murdering.61.[/FONT]
[FONT=Courier New, sans-serif]And as far as the violent history of Jews and Christians, Jesus had this to say:[/FONT]
[FONT=Courier New, sans-serif]Matthew 5.38. Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: but I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloke also.40.[/FONT]
[FONT=Courier New, sans-serif]44. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; that ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven-.[/FONT]
F0uad
Well-Known Member
Ever heard of quoting verses in there contexts? Its pretty easy quoting verses from the Quran that speak about war and then quote verses from the bible that speak about peace, guess what i can do the same thing and next time try to find a better translation.
F0uad
Well-Known Member
This information was known prior to 2001..I found these two articles very disturbing...
Political Strategy - Politics, Strategies, Tactics, News and Opinion
Seven countries in five years - Salon.com
what's more disturbing is that these articles aren't recent.
WyattDerp
Active Member
But it's only terrorism if the others are doing it, duh! :cover:
It is forbidden to kill; therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill in large numbers and to the sound of trumpets. -- Voltaire
^ It's scary how timeless that quote is. But now that I read it again, it's also the reason I can't really stand the Quran or Jesus, not in full. It's kinda SSDD. (same ****, doomsday)
faithglendale
Member
Fighting Allah's war is a major theme in the Qur'an. Verses addressing the issue are not few and far between, they are found throughout. Unlike the new covenant that God made with us in the Gospels and the entire New Testament.
War, hatred, and contempt towards nonbelievers became a thing of the past; at least that which is mandated by God. Turning our other cheek to those who persecute us is what Jesus taught. Granted, Christians and Jews are mightily armed and are known for using that power when it comes to defending ourselves. Attempting to bring world peace even through bloodshed. But none of this would be deemed necessary by our political leaders if others did not hate us, and want to eradicate Jews out of the land they believe was given to them by Allah.
Besides, the purpose behind the killing that was required throughout the Old Testament was in order to fulfill the promise God made to Abraham of the land and its borders, that his descendants were to inherit. People were living in that land, and according to God, they served other gods.
It was their right to defend themselves from the invading army; their mistake was believing in false gods. The children of Israel did make many mistakes, one of which was leaving some of the people inside those borders. As a result, God said those people, namely the Palestinians would be a thorn in their side. And the animosity and fighting continues thousands of years later.
Sha'irullah
رسول الآلهة
I understand Mexican terrorism as it is practised in the ongoing drug war daily. The acts these militia do are indeed terrorism and it is also HIGHLY frequent but I would not rate them as all Latino.
Jewish extremist? Big joke.
Communist? China is the only country which has over 1,000 executions a year and mostly it had been rumored as a form of population control "hint hint". So the communist section should be enlarged just based off Islamic extremist attacks compared to China per year.
Extreme left wing groups? Having been extremely dead I am not familiar with any significant left wing extremism although I am familiar with the opposite.
Terrorism is a method of battle not Islamic extremism. Terrorism is the implementation of fear to destroy an opponent. Lots of governments use terrorism including the US. It is an effective tool against enemies and has been so for years.
This argument that America brings islamic extremism onto itself for its foreign policies are rubbish as well. America support Israel, a country that wishes to maintain its land from Palestinians(Jordanians) who want the land they stole back from them. This is like a thief sueing the rightful owner of a car for taking his car back. This is a social oxymoron.
I have never met a Palestinian who wants freedom or their land back, they only wish to annihilate Jews. I have learned this from the Mosque I have visited and have never met a Muslim who desires otherwise although I have known many who will phrase their believes more nicer when being discussed with non-Muslims.
The Bible has far more violence than Qur'an yet there aren't many cases of Christian terrorism.People can choose whether or not to be violent regardless of their holy book or religion. So in short there is no justification for Islamic extremism whatsoever. People do as they wish and that is all.
Jewish extremist? Big joke.
Communist? China is the only country which has over 1,000 executions a year and mostly it had been rumored as a form of population control "hint hint". So the communist section should be enlarged just based off Islamic extremist attacks compared to China per year.
Extreme left wing groups? Having been extremely dead I am not familiar with any significant left wing extremism although I am familiar with the opposite.
Terrorism is a method of battle not Islamic extremism. Terrorism is the implementation of fear to destroy an opponent. Lots of governments use terrorism including the US. It is an effective tool against enemies and has been so for years.
This argument that America brings islamic extremism onto itself for its foreign policies are rubbish as well. America support Israel, a country that wishes to maintain its land from Palestinians(Jordanians) who want the land they stole back from them. This is like a thief sueing the rightful owner of a car for taking his car back. This is a social oxymoron.
I have never met a Palestinian who wants freedom or their land back, they only wish to annihilate Jews. I have learned this from the Mosque I have visited and have never met a Muslim who desires otherwise although I have known many who will phrase their believes more nicer when being discussed with non-Muslims.
The Bible has far more violence than Qur'an yet there aren't many cases of Christian terrorism.People can choose whether or not to be violent regardless of their holy book or religion. So in short there is no justification for Islamic extremism whatsoever. People do as they wish and that is all.
Assad91
Shi'ah Ali
To who? The ones being retaliated against?
LemonGrenade
Member
Corrected I stand. :yoda:*Global corporate interests.
Do you consider attacks on civilians by either side to be a legitimate "retaliation?"
faithglendale,
Thanks for the references, I'm going to run them by a couple Muslim/Muslimah friends to get the full context and see if you're right about any of them.
Are you saying it was a mistake not to have committed more genocide than they were already responsible for? Just wanting to be clear on your meaning...
Thanks for the references, I'm going to run them by a couple Muslim/Muslimah friends to get the full context and see if you're right about any of them.
Are you saying it was a mistake not to have committed more genocide than they were already responsible for? Just wanting to be clear on your meaning...
Assad91
Shi'ah Ali
I don't personally agree with attacking women and children and civilians. As such, similar instances to Boston is sad. But can you see why many don't care? Three people killed and 100 something injured. While this is a daily thing in other countries where it is America droping bombs. Ad no one really cares. Who really cares about the American military droping phosphorus on civilians in Falujah? Who really cares when drones bomb innocent civilians in Yemen?
But let me repeat. I personally do not agree with attacking civilians by anyone. But the hypocrasy is giant.
I care a lot about those things, and I fight here at home to stop the warmongering and to hold those responsible for murderous, callous decisions that lead to civilian casualties responsible for it. I am not alone, either.
Assad91 said:
Ok, good. I just wanted to see if we're all demarcating between civilians and combatants, and people who make the actual decisions for the combatants.
I care.
Though, it is just plain human nature to be more acutely aware of and affected by things that happen close to home to people you relate with than those that happen far away to people you don't. This is an excuse for why we act the way we do, but it doesn't absolve us from hypocrisy. I think humanity is slowly moving away from their primitive tribal morality, where only the in-group matters and everyone on the out-group is sub-human. But we still have ways to go.
Perhaps more people than you imagine care. For instance, I recall that the world wide protests against the Second Gulf War bought out record numbers of people -- actually, millions of protesters, worldwide. They were ignored by the people in power, but that doesn't change the fact millions took to the streets to protest. Furthermore, I think awareness and revulsion over the drone attacks is increasing daily.
