All Truth is Conditional. Discuss!

[linwood]

The shortest distance between two lines
is....
A straight line
is ...
The shortest distance between two lines
is....
A straight line
is...
The shortest distance between two lines
is...
A straight line
is..

ad infinitum..

 

[Willamena]

The shortest distance between two lines
is....

...to push the lines flush against each other.

 

[linwood]

...to push the lines flush against each other.

No fair, that`s cheating.

 

[Penumbra]

Tell me... is the statement paradoxical or only paradoxical in relation to us?

Paradoxical.

 

[Midnight Pete]

Not in an environment with no gravitational pull... like those chambers NASA uses.

By "the planet" I meant Earth. Not any other planet. Not an antigravity chamber.

 

[dust1n]

By "the planet" I meant Earth. Not any other planet. Not an antigravity chamber.

There are antigravity chambers on Earth.

 

[dust1n]

Paradoxical.

And where is your proof that the basis of earth can't be paradoxical and your proof that it really is paradoxical and not just paradoxical in relation to humans?

 

[Penumbra]

And where is your proof that the basis of earth can't be paradoxical and your proof that it really is paradoxical and not just paradoxical in relation to humans?

Can you clarify what you mean by basis of earth?

 

[Midnight Pete]

There are antigravity chambers on Earth.

 

[Reverend Rick]

The good Reverend walks in with birthday baloons. :hapbirth:


What friggin gravity??? :beach:

 

[Luminous]

We should discuss this with some sincerity...All Truth is Conditional...except agnosticism.

 

[DallasApple]

Sometimes..people want to be lied to..thats the condition..

Love

Dallas

 

[dust1n]

Can you clarify what you mean by basis of earth?

Yeah, bad wording.. let me rephrase it.

And where is your proof that the underlying foundation of human exist can't be logically paradoxical and your proof that it really is paradoxical and not just paradoxical in relation to humans?

 

[Penumbra]

Yeah, bad wording.. let me rephrase it.

And where is your proof that the underlying foundation of human exist can't be logically paradoxical and your proof that it really is paradoxical and not just paradoxical in relation to humans?

The thread said to discuss.

Without the existence of logic, nothing can be discussed. None of the words in your post would be any more meaningful than grunts and whistles without logic.

If, in order to disagree with my assertion, logic itself has to be questioned, then apparently that means that the assertion itself is logical and there isn't much more to say.

The question doesn't simply apply to just humans. Whether a human knows something or not, a fact is a fact. If all truth is conditional, then the statement that all truth is conditional is itself absolute (non-conditional) truth. It doesn't matter if humans even exist in this scenario for that to be true.

 

[dust1n]

The thread said to discuss.

Without the existence of logic, nothing can be discussed. None of the words in your post would be any more meaningful than grunts and whistles without logic.

That's just not true... plenty of things are independent of logic and produce meaning.

If, in order to disagree with my assertion, logic itself has to be questioned, then apparently that means that the assertion itself is logical and there isn't much more to say.

Fair enough, I won't claim that these isn't validity in logic, but I don't think it covers the totality of existence, nor have I have yet to see a truth that is not conditional, including the one that states all truths are conditional.

The question doesn't simply apply to just humans. Whether a human knows something or not, a fact is a fact. If all truth is conditional, then the statement that all truth is conditional is itself absolute (non-conditional) truth. It doesn't matter if humans even exist in this scenario for that to be true.

A fact is a human construct contingent on the English language. A construct cannot describe truth, it can only show it. My sentiments regarding this issue reflect Wittgenstein's.

[SIZE=+1]6.5

For an answer which cannot be expressed the question too cannot be expressed.
The riddle does not exist.

If a question can be put at all, then it can also be answered.

6.51

Scepticism is not irrefutable, but palpably senseless, if it would doubt where a question cannot be asked. For doubt can only exist where there is a question; a question only where there is an answer, and this only where something can be said.

6.21

We feel that even if all possible scientific questions be asnwered, the problems of life have still not been touched at all. Of course there is then no question left, and just this is the answer.6.521

[/SIZE] The solution of the problem of life is seen in the vanishing of this problem. (Is not this the reason why men to whom after long doubting the sense of life became clear, could not then say wherein this sense consisted?)

6.522

There is indeed the inexpressible. This shows itself; it is the mystical.

6.53

The right method of philosophy would be this: To say nothing except what can be said, i.e. the propositions of natural science, i.e. something that has nothing to do with philosophy: and then always, when someone else wished to say something metaphysical, to demonstrate to him that he had given no meaning to certain signs in his propositions. This method would be unsatisfying to the other -- he would not have the feeling that we were teaching him philosophy -- but it would be the only strictly correct method.

6.54

My propositions are elucidatory in this way: he who understands me finally recognizes them as senseless, when he has climbed out through them, on them, over them. (He must so to speak throw away the ladder, after he has climbed up on it.) He must surmount these propositions; then he sees the world rightly.