The entirety of the NT was written in Greek, and virtually all of the OT was written in Hebrew. We don't even know the details of the Aramaic dialect Jesus actually spoke.
By whom and using what text? Because John was written in Greek.
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Allah is the lord in the bible
- Thread starter FearGod
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The entirety of the NT was written in Greek, and virtually all of the OT was written in Hebrew. We don't even know the details of the Aramaic dialect Jesus actually spoke.
Caladan
Agnostic Pantheist
Hold on, are we talking about the same Bible you claimed to not make sense or to be corrupted a thread ago?
And no. Please educate yourself, the Hebrew Bible was written in Hebrew (excluding the Aramaic version of the Book of Daniel) and the New Testament was written in Greek. When Church Fathers were working around the clock to educate converts to the distinction between paganism and Christianity many in Arabia were still worshipping many gods, and only centuries later did Muhammd labor to eradicate the pagan Arabian pantheon and leave Allah as the only god. And even that is debatable, since in reality Muhamnad made huge theological concessions with paganism and the worship of multiple gods that we may very well assume this fact was heavily edited by later Islamic scholars although still historically recognized.
If you mean to say that historical Muslims worship Allah the same way Iron Age Jews worshipped El in a henotheistic sense you might have made some reasonable point.
SkylarHunter
Active Member
I might be missing the point but if we believe there is one God, and only one, it is possible that different religions call him different names. Lord, however, is not a name, it's a title. The name of God is Jehovah (with some variations like Yahweh and Jah) and it has been removed from many bible translations because someone a long time ago decided not to use it. In the old scrolls of the bible that name appears thousands of times.
Pastek
Sunni muslim
In Islam we don't even have the name of God, Allah just means God.
We don't have a name like "Jehovah".
Tumah
Veteran Member
I am not Christian, so I don't even know if its accurate to say that the NT was written in Aramaic and not Greek. But I do know that "Allah" is not the Aramaic word for G-d. It's "אלה-א" "Eloha". Allah would probably be something like אללה.
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I think the whole point is it is the same God.
So no one is going to comment on Gods promise to Hagar in Gen 20-22? I would say 2 billion Muslims is a great nation right?
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
"Allah" is the arabic word for "God". It's like saying groundhogs and woodchucks are two separate species.
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
Was Jesus a Greek ?
Jesus was born in Bethlehem and speaking Aramaic which is close to Arabic and Hebrew.
See how Jews spell the name of God
The Aramaic Name for God - Elah
What about the OT, was it written in Greek too.
Assuming God's name was "X" , then we can see if "X" is the same God of the bible by knowing who is "X"
Say: He is Allah, the One! (112:1)
Allah, the eternally Besought of all! (112:2)
He begetteth not nor was begotten. (112:3)
And there is none comparable unto Him. (112:4)
Surely Allah chose Adam and Nuh and the descendants of Ibrahim and the descendants of Imran above the nations. (3:33)
Lo! We inspire thee as We inspired Noah and the prophets after him, as We inspired Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the tribes, and Jesus and Job and Jonah and Aaron and Solomon, and as We imparted unto David the Psalms; (4:163)
In their Books ,there is truth .
That's the promiss to Ishmael (pbuh) too , so we were great nation , and we will great nation .
God promiss them "the jews" , that He will provoke them by other nation , in Torah . too .
outhouse
Atheistically
except their groundhog didn't show up to the party defined like everyone else groundhog.
There is a reason why there are at minimum 3 different, very distinct definitions of the concept.
These differences are so severe, if it was an animal it would be considered speciation change.
Its my opinion below.
Judaism= a hybrid concept worshipping El and Yahweh both even though El is semi hidden by redaction.
Christianity = the hybrid concept, adding Jesus and the holy spirit, centralizing around Jesus.
Islam = new Arabic version of both of the above concepts at the core, reworked to meet a different cultures needs, not really matching any of the above concepts surrounding and centralizing around their new prophets and the new redesigned god concept.
outhouse
Atheistically
Pastek
Sunni muslim
Been a Christian and have Muslim family.
And it doesn't take one to know one.
Why don't you consider them as "real" christians ?
outhouse
Atheistically
They have their own pope. Can they loosely be described as Christians yes.
Copts are unique, and do not represent typical Christians. Their use of allah has nothing to do with mainstream christianity, and you don't find them praying specifically to allah.
Copts - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Markos Pasha Semeika, founder of the Coptic Museum, addressed a group of Egyptian students saying: "All of you are Copts. Some of you are Muslim Copts, others are Christian Copts, but all of you are descended from the Ancient Egyptians
InChrist
Free4ever
I don't worship Allah or believe he is the God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob as revealed through and recorded by the Hebrew scribes or Jesus as revealed in the New Testament and worshiped by the Jewish apostles. Even a superficial reading of the Bible and the Quran show the vast difference between the nature and characteristics of the biblical God and the God of Islam.
Is Allah the God of the Bible?
Is Allah the God of the Bible?
Flankerl
Well-Known Member
Debatable.
Pastek
Sunni muslim
Why is that ? I don't think there's a big difference.
Still don't get why they don't pray Allah. They believe in God, they believe in Jesus, their Book is the Bible. They may have more/different books included compared to the other christians but that's more or less all. The base is the same : God, the Son, the Holy Spirit.
I heard them clearly say at 21:05 Allah khalek el samawati wal ardh : God the Creator of the heavens and the earth. And El Massih, ebn Allah el wahid : The Messiah, the only son of God
Sound christian for me.
outhouse
Atheistically
The debate is not how diverse Christianity is, and what my personal feelings of Christianity are.
It is if the allah concept is the same one as in the bible. it is not to me.
I look at allah as a later creation of Arabic communities.
One can claim it is just one god described three different ways, but that doesn't make sense to me. If one god actually existed, why cannot different cultures describe the same thing? What we see is completely different descriptions and definitions that do not match each other in any way what so ever.
If we look at the real history, we see different people redefining the concept that often mirrors the cultural needs of the people doing the defining. It is a constant evolution and constant change of the definition all by mans wants and needs.
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outhouse
Atheistically
I would ask what evidence is there that would point to the same concept?
I don't think there is any at all.
What evidence we do have is that people used to redefine this concept at will, following cultural changes and needs.