Allah, Yahweh, or Jehovah

[rosends]

You did scratch where I itched, thank you.

The Tanakh text means what it means--the intent, which I respect, as an analogy, "Moishe said kill the animal, what kind of knife should we use?" is not a bad thing. It's where Talmud says, "God said this but it REALLY means this," that there is concern. My point was the Gentile world knows little of Talmud, much of Tanakh--and if your response is, "They should learn Talmud..." well, since Tanakh points to Jesus...

The tanach means what it means, but knowing what it means is no simple feat. Does the US constitution "mean what it means"? The answer is it does and more. But it takes people versed in the text to understand it on more than the simplest (and incomplete) level. So talmud says "God said this and this means a variety of things." The non-Jew who doesn't know the talmud can't then really understand the tanach. The Russian who doesn't understand the subtleties of English can't really know the constitution.

The claim that the tanach points to Jesus is just another example of how not really understanding the text leads to false conclusions. You made my case.

 

[rosends]

You are mistaken Yahweh is not a title like theos.

Exodus 3:15 he says in that passage YHWH is my name forever.

What text of 3:15 are you pointing to? This is the English translation I have:
"And God said further to Moses, "So shall you say to the children of Israel, 'The Lord God of your forefathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.' This is My name forever, and this is how I should be mentioned in every generation." The four letter name you mention is only used where the English reads "Lord" so nothing says "YHWH is my name forever".

 

[anonymous9887]

What text of 3:15 are you pointing to? This is the English translation I have:
"And God said further to Moses, "So shall you say to the children of Israel, 'The Lord God of your forefathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.' This is My name forever, and this is how I should be mentioned in every generation." The four letter name you mention is only used where the English reads "Lord" so nothing says "YHWH is my name forever".

Ok so if you look at the original Hebrew manuscripts or an interlinear Bible and look at the Hebrew word you will see YHWH(Yahweh)
1. Most bibles remove gods name and replace it with "LORD" or "GOD" you will see it capitalized.
2. this name Belongs in the bible over 7000 times
3. You can Look up Isaiah 42:8 and Psalm 83:18. no lie.

 

[anonymous9887]

What text of 3:15 are you pointing to? This is the English translation I have:
"And God said further to Moses, "So shall you say to the children of Israel, 'The Lord God of your forefathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.' This is My name forever, and this is how I should be mentioned in every generation." The four letter name you mention is only used where the English reads "Lord" so nothing says "YHWH is my name forever".

I forgot to mention Jews replace YHWH with hashem in some Jewish translations
Hashem= The Name

 

[rosends]

Ok so if you look at the original Hebrew manuscripts or an interlinear Bible and look at the Hebrew word you will see YHWH(Yahweh)
1. Most bibles remove gods name and replace it with "LORD" or "GOD" you will see it capitalized.
2. this name Belongs in the bible over 7000 times
3. You can Look up Isaiah 42:8 and Psalm 83:18. no lie.

That's not my point. I can read the Hebrew:
טווַיֹּאמֶר עוֹד אֱלֹהִים אֶל משֶׁה כֹּה תֹאמַר אֶל בְּנֵי יִשְׂרָאֵל יְהֹוָה אֱלֹהֵי אֲבֹתֵיכֶם אֱלֹהֵי אַבְרָהָם אֱלֹהֵי יִצְחָק וֵאלֹהֵי יַעֲקֹב שְׁלָחַנִי אֲלֵיכֶם זֶה שְּׁמִי לְעֹלָם וְזֶה זִכְרִי לְדֹר דֹּר

If you look, the 4 letter name which you call "YHWH(Yahweh)" is there but not before the phrase "is my name forever." The four letter name (which I have bolded) appears earlier in the verse along with other words for God.

 

[anonymous9887]

ok read Isaiah 42:8
Read Psalm 83:18

so because he mentions this is my name forever. YHWH appears more times then the word Elohim and all the other titles in the bible.

I am very confident that exodus 3:15 is talking about the name Jehovah if we let all of the Hebrew scriptures speak.

 

[anonymous9887]

That's not my point. I can read the Hebrew:
טווַיֹּאמֶר עוֹד אֱלֹהִים אֶל משֶׁה כֹּה תֹאמַר אֶל בְּנֵי יִשְׂרָאֵל יְהֹוָה אֱלֹהֵי אֲבֹתֵיכֶם אֱלֹהֵי אַבְרָהָם אֱלֹהֵי יִצְחָק וֵאלֹהֵי יַעֲקֹב שְׁלָחַנִי אֲלֵיכֶם זֶה שְּׁמִי לְעֹלָם וְזֶה זִכְרִי לְדֹר דֹּר

If you look, the 4 letter name which you call "YHWH(Yahweh)" is there but not before the phrase "is my name forever." The four letter name (which I have bolded) appears earlier in the verse along with other words for God.

there is no other name or title besides the abbreviated form JAH that god says is his personal name, only YHWH.

That name is why I reject Islam, because the correct pronunciation of god is unknown. If Muhammad was gods prophet he would have made the true pronunciation known, and not use a generic title like Allah, which is equivalent to theos, Elohim, god, Dios. but he didn't reveal gods name.

 

[rosends]

ok read Isaiah 42:8
Read Psalm 83:18

so because he mentions this is my name forever. YHWH appears more times then the word Elohim and all the other titles in the bible.

I am very confident that exodus 3:15 is talking about the name Jehovah if we let all of the Hebrew scriptures speak.

You can be as confident as you like but that doesn't mean that the text says what you claim. You might want to look in Ex 3:14 in which the text says "Eheyeh sent me" which might convince you that God's name is "Eheyeh."

 

[rosends]

there is no other name or title besides the abbreviated form JAH that god says is his personal name, only YHWH.

That name is why I reject Islam, because the correct pronunciation of god is unknown. If Muhammad was gods prophet he would have made the true pronunciation known, and not use a generic title like Allah, which is equivalent to theos, Elohim, god, Dios. but he didn't reveal gods name.

God never says that anything is his personal name. We have plenty of names for God, but they label characteristics. If any one were a complete name it would encompass the idea of God and limit it. As God is infinite and transcends human understanding, no one name is enough and no name turns him into a human who has a personal name.

 

[anonymous9887]

You can be as confident as you like but that doesn't mean that the text says what you claim. You might want to look in Ex 3:14 in which the text says "Eheyeh sent me" which might convince you that God's name is "Eheyeh."

that tells us what gods name means.

 

[anonymous9887]

God never says that anything is his personal name. We have plenty of names for God, but they label characteristics. If any one were a complete name it would encompass the idea of God and limit it. As God is infinite and transcends human understanding, no one name is enough and no name turns him into a human who has a personal name.

ok if you can show me any other scripture in the entire bible that says like Isaiah 42:8 I am _________ that is my name. I will believe you.
Only YHWH is used in that way.
Give me an example.

 

[anonymous9887]

God never says that anything is his personal name. We have plenty of names for God, but they label characteristics. If any one were a complete name it would encompass the idea of God and limit it. As God is infinite and transcends human understanding, no one name is enough and no name turns him into a human who has a personal name.

does god ever say
I am Elohim that is my name?
I am el that is my name?
I am el shaddai that is my name?

Those are titles

 

[anonymous9887]

God never says that anything is his personal name. We have plenty of names for God, but they label characteristics. If any one were a complete name it would encompass the idea of God and limit it. As God is infinite and transcends human understanding, no one name is enough and no name turns him into a human who has a personal name.

by the way Just to answer the original Post.
1. Jehovah is an English transliteration that was created for the English language.
2. So Jehovah in theory is a representation of YHWH

 

[rosends]

that tells us what gods name means.

The text doesn't present it like that.

 

[rosends]

ok if you can show me any other scripture in the entire bible that says like Isaiah 42:8 I am _________ that is my name. I will believe you.
Only YHWH is used in that way.
Give me an example.

Well, remember that the text of Ex 3:15 says "Ehyeh sent me" and then says "Zeh shmi l'olam" which, by your reading, would mean "THIS is my name." So God's name must be "THIS."

 

[rosends]

does god ever say
I am Elohim that is my name?
I am el that is my name?
I am el shaddai that is my name?

Those are titles

A quick look reveals 2 verses in Malachi where the text reads "gadol shmi" Which, by your understanding means "Gadol is my name." Malachi also has "uShmi Norah" and my name is . Norah.
Chronicles has "Biyirushalayim yihiyeh shmi l'olam" which you might as well translate as "In Jerusalem, yihiyeh is my name forever." Isaiah has "I am YHWH, HE is my name". I could keep going if you would like.

 

[anonymous9887]

A quick look reveals 2 verses in Malachi where the text reads "gadol shmi" Which, by your understanding means "Gadol is my name." Malachi also has "uShmi Norah" and my name is . Norah.
Chronicles has "Biyirushalayim yihiyeh shmi l'olam" which you might as well translate as "In Jerusalem, yihiyeh is my name forever." Isaiah has "I am YHWH, HE is my name". I could keep going if you would like.

Give me text chapter and verse. But you are misunderstanding. It's the tetragrammaton that Jehovah presents as his name for example exodus 6:3

 

[anonymous9887]

The text doesn't present it like that.

That's how parallel comments in the bible work.

Did Moses throw the powdered gold from the golden calf or did he make the Israelites drink it?

 

[rosends]

Give me text chapter and verse. But you are misunderstanding. It's the tetragrammaton that Jehovah presents as his name for example exodus 6:3

But it is a grammatical construct "X is my name." You insist that in that sematic structure, X must be the name. In that case, all those other words (starting with Zeh in Ex 3:15) must be proper names. You arbitrarily decide that one word, the 4 letter label for God, is a name in that sentence, but in other sentences, other words are not?

 

[rosends]

That's how parallel comments in the bible work.

Did Moses throw the powdered gold from the golden calf or did he make the Israelites drink it?

Is Ex 32:20 unclear? If you want to know which water, just look in Deut 9:21.