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Allah, Yahweh, or Jehovah

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anonymous9887

bible reader
rosends said:
A quick look reveals 2 verses in Malachi where the text reads "gadol shmi" Which, by your understanding means "Gadol is my name." Malachi also has "uShmi Norah" and my name is . Norah.
Chronicles has "Biyirushalayim yihiyeh shmi l'olam" which you might as well translate as "In Jerusalem, yihiyeh is my name forever." Isaiah has "I am YHWH, HE is my name". I could keep going if you would like.
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If your are talking about malachi 1
rosends said:
But it is a grammatical construct "X is my name." You insist that in that sematic structure, X must be the name. In that case, all those other words (starting with Zeh in Ex 3:15) must be proper names. You arbitrarily decide that one word, the 4 letter label for God, is a name in that sentence, but in other sentences, other words are not?
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This is how I reason it.
I can find you many other examples where is says Jehovah is my name all by itself.

Can you show me a passage that says my name is god of Abraham Isaac and Jacob.

Let's be fair, I'm showing you scripture why its Jehovah by itself that is his name, so you show me another example of it all together again or Jehovah saying my name is god of Abraham Isaac and Jacob.

I believe that if god wants to give himself a name he can and he did.
 
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rosends

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Paul Chavez said:
If your are talking about malachi 1

This is how I reason it.
I can find you many other examples where is says Jehovah is my name all by itself.

Can you show me a passage that says my name is god of Abraham Isaac and Jacob.

Let's be fair, I'm showing you scripture why its Jehovah by itself that is his name, so you show me another example of it all together again or Jehovah saying my name is god of Abraham Isaac and Jacob.

I believe that if god wants to give himself a name he can and he did.
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Well, first off, yes, Malachi 1:11. "Gadol shmi" which you must see as "gadol is my name."
Second, have you read Gen 48:15-16 which does not mention the four letters but instead says
, "God, before Whom my fathers, Abraham and Isaac, walked, God Who sustained me as long as I am alive, until this day, טווַיְבָרֶךְ אֶת יוֹסֵף וַיֹּאמַר הָאֱלֹהִים אֲשֶׁר הִתְהַלְּכוּ אֲבֹתַי לְפָנָיו אַבְרָהָם וְיִצְחָק הָאֱלֹהִים הָרֹעֶה אֹתִי מֵעוֹדִי עַד הַיּוֹם הַזֶּה:
16may the angel who redeemed me from all harm bless the youths, and may they be called by my name

You will notice that the only "name" is the word "elohim".

You also might ant to explain Jer 7:12 in which a "name" takes up residence in a place. Clearly, the word "name" doesn't mean "personal name." (Kings 1 9:3 also).

Face it: you are taking one combination of phrases and deciding that it means something. But it doesn't. You are allowed your own personal interpretation if it makes you happy, but someone who knows the Hebrew and the meaning of the text would disagree.
 
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anonymous9887

bible reader
rosends said:
Well, first off, yes, Malachi 1:11. "Gadol shmi" which you must see as "gadol is my name."
Second, have you read Gen 48:15-16 which does not mention the four letters but instead says
, "God, before Whom my fathers, Abraham and Isaac, walked, God Who sustained me as long as I am alive, until this day, טווַיְבָרֶךְ אֶת יוֹסֵף וַיֹּאמַר הָאֱלֹהִים אֲשֶׁר הִתְהַלְּכוּ אֲבֹתַי לְפָנָיו אַבְרָהָם וְיִצְחָק הָאֱלֹהִים הָרֹעֶה אֹתִי מֵעוֹדִי עַד הַיּוֹם הַזֶּה:
16may the angel who redeemed me from all harm bless the youths, and may they be called by my name

You will notice that the only "name" is the word "elohim".

You also might ant to explain Jer 7:12 in which a "name" takes up residence in a place. Clearly, the word "name" doesn't mean "personal name." (Kings 1 9:3 also).

Face it: you are taking one combination of phrases and deciding that it means something. But it doesn't. You are allowed your own personal interpretation if it makes you happy, but someone who knows the Hebrew and the meaning of the text would disagree.
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Well that is a huge problem you are going to run into with language then, because a word can be used in a variety of way.

Name can be used as
1.an actual name
2. A reputation
3. Character

So a word is applied with the given context.
 
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rosends

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Paul Chavez said:
Well that is a huge problem you are going to run into with language then, because a word can be used in a variety of way.

Name can be used as
1.an actual name
2. A reputation
3. Character

So a word is applied with the given context.
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So you are choosing to apply role 1 because it suits you. OK.
 
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anonymous9887

bible reader
rosends said:
As are other words. You have chosen "personal name" when you admit that a word in that structure might 2 be other things.
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Well let me here how you interpret these passages
Psalm 83:18
Exodus 3:15
Exodus 6:3
Isaiah 42:8 what is being communicated there in regards to gods name?
 
rosends

rosends

Well-Known Member
Paul Chavez said:
Well let me here how you interpret these passages
Psalm 83:18
Exodus 3:15
Exodus 6:3
Isaiah 42:8 what is being communicated there in regards to gods name?
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You are starting with a misunderstanding of the Hebrew word "shem." It refers to 'name' sometimes, 'reputation' other times, 'presence' in other cases, 'identity' or other things. Because God is not human and does not have a singular personal name, using that particular meaning of the word "shem" is wrong. Of course, the same thing is true in English. One can "make a name for himself" and not be talking about a personal name. You can be a leader in name only, and not be talking about a personal name. You can have a "good name" as in reputation -- do you really think that in any of these cases, the word "name" means "personal name"? So if a translation says "Let them know that You, Your name, alone, is Most High over all the earth" it has nothing to do with a personal name. The same when the text says "I am God. He is my name." There is no claim that God's personal name is "He". These are statements of existence not naming conventions.

If you think it is about a specific name then how can Ex 6:3 coexist with Gen 25:21? Or 26:28?
 
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anonymous9887

bible reader
rosends said:
You are starting with a misunderstanding of the Hebrew word "shem." It refers to 'name' sometimes, 'reputation' other times, 'presence' in other cases, 'identity' or other things. Because God is not human and does not have a singular personal name, using that particular meaning of the word "shem" is wrong. Of course, the same thing is true in English. One can "make a name for himself" and not be talking about a personal name. You can be a leader in name only, and not be talking about a personal name. You can have a "good name" as in reputation -- do you really think that in any of these cases, the word "name" means "personal name"? So if a translation says "Let them know that You, Your name, alone, is Most High over all the earth" it has nothing to do with a personal name. The same when the text says "I am God. He is my name." There is no claim that God's personal name is "He". These are statements of existence not naming conventions.

If you think it is about a specific name then how can Ex 6:3 coexist with Gen 25:21? Or 26:28?
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I took a look at genesis,
Jacob kept pleading with YHWH?
 
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