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Allah, Yahweh, or Jehovah

BilliardsBall

Veteran Member
I don't know milk you're talking about.
Go ahead.

We can start with a few:

Isaiah 49:6 (NLT)
6 He says, “You will do more than restore the people of Israel to me.
I will make you a light to the Gentiles,
and you will bring my salvation to the ends of the earth.”

Zechariah 2:11 (NLT)
11 Many nations will join themselves to the Lord on that day, and they, too, will be my people. I will live among you, and you will know that the Lord of Heaven’s Armies sent me to you.

Genesis 12:3 and Isaiah 53, verse 3 and on, also come to mind.

There is only one God, of the circumcised and for the Gentiles, too, and His chosen was to bless them also. As foretold, the Gentiles worship this one.
 

Tumah

Veteran Member
We can start with a few:

Isaiah 49:6 (NLT)
6 He says, “You will do more than restore the people of Israel to me.
I will make you a light to the Gentiles,
and you will bring my salvation to the ends of the earth.”

Zechariah 2:11 (NLT)
11 Many nations will join themselves to the Lord on that day, and they, too, will be my people. I will live among you, and you will know that the Lord of Heaven’s Armies sent me to you.
I think you've confused yourself. You're trying to argue that G-d speaks to non-Jews through the Holy Spirit, yet you bring examples either not closely related to your subject or of non-Jews converting to Judaism.

Genesis 12:3 and Isaiah 53, verse 3 and on, also come to mind.
I think you realize that those verses don't say what you'd like them to say unless you apply Christian theology to them, so you didn't post them like the other two.

There is only one God, of the circumcised and for the Gentiles, too, and His chosen was to bless them also. As foretold, the Gentiles worship this one.
There is only one G-d, that is true. And eventually, the non-Jews will worship Him. Although to date, only a very small number of non-Jews, the Noahides, worship Him the way He wants. The rest of this is of course, not true and baseless.
 

BilliardsBall

Veteran Member
I think you've confused yourself. You're trying to argue that G-d speaks to non-Jews through the Holy Spirit, yet you bring examples either not closely related to your subject or of non-Jews converting to Judaism.


I think you realize that those verses don't say what you'd like them to say unless you apply Christian theology to them, so you didn't post them like the other two.


There is only one G-d, that is true. And eventually, the non-Jews will worship Him. Although to date, only a very small number of non-Jews, the Noahides, worship Him the way He wants. The rest of this is of course, not true and baseless.

We're kind of scratching where I'm itching now, to be frank. The Noahide "laws" are so ridiculously small that I don't think they form the basis of righteousness. "Come on up, faithful Gentiles, ye who have never murdered a person." I know too many wicked Gentiles--and Jews--to believe such stuff.
 

life.period

Member
Allah, Yahweh, or Jehovah. Which one and why?

Let's say creator " Allah

Creator said in Torah he will sent prophet muhamad

Torah believed by both jews and christian .


Name prophet Muhammad in orignal Torah only omitted from translated veraions To hide truth .


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blue taylor

Active Member
First watch this then talk
Name prophet Muhammad in Hebrew Torah :


Qur'an is word of god not history book
So are the Vedas, the Guru Granth Sahib, the Gospel of Mani, the Gathas, the Torah, the Kitab al-Jilwa, the The Sumerian Temple Hymns, the Book Of The Dead, the Bhagavad Gita, the Agamas, and my favorite the Tao Te Ching. All the words of God.
 

life.period

Member
So are the Vedas, the Guru Granth Sahib, the Gospel of Mani, the Gathas, the Torah, the Kitab al-Jilwa, the The Sumerian Temple Hymns, the Book Of The Dead, the Bhagavad Gita, the Agamas, and my favorite the Tao Te Ching. All the words of God.


Did I say that .

If you claim it is word of god
Where is your prove .

Bible written by human being
Luke, Mark , ... etc.

Whose writers you find human being

Torah also written by human being

Like song of Solomon not brought by Solomon but after Solomon time .


Tao te ching
Author Laozi (

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tao_Te_Ching
 
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life.period

Member
So are the Vedas, the Guru Granth Sahib, the Gospel of Mani, the Gathas, the Torah, the Kitab al-Jilwa, the The Sumerian Temple Hymns, the Book Of The Dead, the Bhagavad Gita, the Agamas, and my favorite the Tao Te Ching. All the words of God.


Current Torah Is corrupted form of true Torah word of god.

True Torah disappeared and hidden

Current one not god words 100 percent. Author is human being not god.

After prophet Moses peace be upon him died , people attempt to change words of torah to fit their wishes like they want to drink wine and God say don't then they make changes to allow it .

Some truth left like coming prophet muhamad .
 
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blue taylor

Active Member
The Koran has no better claim to the word of God than the others mentioned. Just because you want it to be so, does not make it so. I have no dog in this "my god is better than your god" , third grade childrens argument.
 

Tumah

Veteran Member
We're kind of scratching where I'm itching now, to be frank. The Noahide "laws" are so ridiculously small that I don't think they form the basis of righteousness. "Come on up, faithful Gentiles, ye who have never murdered a person." I know too many wicked Gentiles--and Jews--to believe such stuff.
Well, I guess next time G-d is thinking about what constitutes righteousness, He should make sure to discuss it with you.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Current Torah Is corrupted form of true Torah word of god.

True Torah disappeared and hidden
How could you possibly know that the Torah is "hidden"? Is it in your basement or were you there when it was written?
 

rosends

Well-Known Member
First watch this then talk
Name prophet Muhammad in Hebrew Torah :


Qur'an is word of god not history book
I was going to criticize this for its poor quality, bad production values and incorrect facts. But I'll just stick to the last item. The Hebrew word is Machmadim. I have no doubt that Mohammed's parents, when they chose a name, chose one which came from the same root because they wanted to give their little boy a nice name. In the same way, "ohr" means light and I can name my child "meir" (one who brings light). That doesn't mean that his name is in the text. This is pretty basic stuff.
 

BilliardsBall

Veteran Member
Well, I guess next time G-d is thinking about what constitutes righteousness, He should make sure to discuss it with you.

I don't know that yours is an accurate portrayal of my stance. I think the difference between us is simply this: you want to consult Tanakh and Talmud on matters. I want to consult the Tanakh. I can consult the NT, sure, but it seems rather clear in Tanakh that righteousness for Gentiles comes in a different form than the seven Noahide laws only.
 

life.period

Member
How could you possibly know that the Torah is "hidden"? Is it in your basement or were you there when it was written?


Good question

Proven by Their book .

Old testonemy mentioned Moses prophet asked jews to keep Torah
And save it .

That mean mean Torah brought by mosa while current one written after mosa time peace be upon him .

Ask any Jews or christian

Did this Torah belong to mosa he will say no


Here revelation 22

18 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll.
If anyone adds anything to them);">God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll.

Scroll : Torah

It written in scroll

note : who will change scroll
Will fall in disaster.


Also Moses predict they will corrupt and fall in disaster

Deuteronomy 31:29
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New International Version
For I know that after my death you are sure to become utterly corrupt and to turn from the way I have commanded you. In days to come, disaster will fall on you because you will do evil in the sight of the LORD and arouse his anger by what your hands have made."



Disaster they fall : god spare them no longer .. four kingdom possess earth and " destruction temple "



Jeremiah 8:8 prove corruption scroll

Jeremiah 8:8
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"'How can you say, "We are wise, for we have the law of the LORD," when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?


Since there is true Torah brought by mosa and not exist any more that mean it is hidden some where.

Several scrolls found

You can search in Google..

In Qur'an also mentioned they corrupt torah
 
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life.period

Member
How could you possibly know that the Torah is "hidden"? Is it in your basement or were you there when it was written?


Since current
I was going to criticize this for its poor quality, bad production values and incorrect facts. But I'll just stick to the last item. The Hebrew word is Machmadim. I have no doubt that Mohammed's parents, when they chose a name, chose one which came from the same root because they wanted to give their little boy a nice name. In the same way, "ohr" means light and I can name my child "meir" (one who brings light). That doesn't mean that his name is in the text. This is pretty basic stuff.

Muhammadim is same Muhammad

In hebrew they add at the end of every name " im

Like genesis 10 and many others

אתH853 לודיםH3866ואתH853 ענמיםH6047ואתH853 להביםH3853ואתH853 נפתחים׃H5320



If walk around the world for jews named his son or his grand son or even one of his ancestors as Muhamad you will not find .

Muhammad is name found in Islam only .

Song of Solomon predict some one will come named muhamad . He not exist in that point .


Arabic name Ali is not same in India
They say Ali Khan

They add Khan to names

Amir will be Amir Khan

In Arabic country they name their kids Amir not Amir Khan ..

Old testonemy mention Prophet will come from paran and paran macca:

Deuteronomy 33:2
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He said: "The LORD came from Sinai and dawned over them from Seir; he shone forth from Mount Paran. He came with myriads of holy ones from the south, from his mountain slopes.



Prove paran is macca

Old map

qedar is son of Ishmael

Bible mention qedar lived near tema
Team located in Saudi Arabia

It mentions also Ishmael lived in paran where well water exist .

So paran in Saudi Arabia

Well water mentioned in Islam known as zamzam well .

It miraculous water appear in macca by Ishmael and mentioned in genesis as well

Prophet decendend from Ishmael son qedar.

About your claims prophet father plan
To name him Muhammad

There are many other named their kids Muhammad as well

They were Arab pagan . They didn't read old testonemy which written in Hebrew .


You claims mean they plan to help their son toclaim prophecy .

But his parents died while he is infant

He raised while he is orphan

You don't know anything .

His parents were not there to tell him what to do ..
 

RabbiO

הרב יונה בן זכריה
Current Torah Is corrupted form of true Torah word of god.

True Torah disappeared and hidden

Current one not god words 100 percent. Author is human being not god.

After prophet Moses peace be upon him died , people attempt to change words of torah to fit their wishes like they want to drink wine and God say don't then they make changes to allow it .

Some truth left like coming prophet muhamad .

Decisions, decisions.
I don't which is the better response -
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I guess the only answer is to use both. Because you've earned both.

Congratulations.
 
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