EarthAlive
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So you are calling science twaddle then?
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Alternative to evolution and creationism
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So you are calling science twaddle then?
Dirty Penguin
Master Of Ceremony
Only to those who haven't a clue what the ToE says. "Interesting"....? Heck NO.....More like "Silly drivel"....
EarthAlive
Member
Theres millions of theories of evolution though, which one is right which ones are wrong? Compared to only two Independent Origin theories.
camanintx
Well-Known Member
Are you seriously suggesting that hydrogen and helium atoms are alive?
Does science declare that the electricity that we use is alive?
Does science declare that the movement of an object is alive?
Do you even know what energy is?
Millions? Care to show where you got such a large number? As far as I know, there's only one prevailing theory of evolution: natural selection.
If we apply the "less is more" philosophy to science, as you seem to be doing, that trumps your two.
EarthAlive
Member
Yes, atoms are alive, they move, they repel and attract, we can even say that atoms have a small degree of consciousness.
EarthAlive
Member
Electricity is a form of energy. Electricity is the flow of electrons. All matter is made up of atoms, everything is alive in the universe. Everything is a form of energy.
Energy is activity, everything is active and alive in the universe becuase energy is everywhere and in everything.
Energy exists in different forms but is neither created nor destroyed; it simply converts to another form, it has existed eternally. Life is energy. Energy is transmitted in waves, waves of information. Life is energy is information, alive.
All life is energy. Even every nerve impulse in your body is an electric current, flowing with life.
Everything in life is energy. There is nothing which is not energy. Everything vibrates with this energy, and the number of vibrations, or wave patterns, within a given period of time is called the “frequency” with which the energy fluctuates. Energy is always fluctuating. So, life is energy, energy never dies, it just changes form. Life is energy, I am energy, you are energy, everything is energy. All the things that you know are energy, like light, heat, electricity etc. are energy and all of the things that you don't think are energy, like plants, animals, rocks etc. are also energy. It is not possible to have non-energy, there is no such thing as non-life.
EarthAlive
Member
Yes theres many evolution theories, look at orthogenesis, vitalism, saltationism, neolamarckism, typostophism, apogenesis, nomogenesis, autoevolution, directed evolution, theistic evolution etc etc then you have loads of theories within those theories.
Natural selection is a supposed mechanism for evolution. But many different scientists have their own ideas about it, for example some scientists claim natural selection has no implication on insects and is not found amongst birds etc. Alfred Wallace and many of the early scientists claimed natural selection could not explain the consciousness, morality spiritual element, or soul of man so argued for other mechanisms. There is not just one theory of natural selection, already there is a handful there. Also many scientists have downgraded natural selection considering it either a weak mechanism for variation within species and nothing else or denying it altogether.
Photonic
Ad astra!
I would like to see these many scientists. I'm a scientist and I find Natural Selection to be the primary mechanism of evolution among non sapient species.
This Independent Origins "theory" doesn't fit well with the simple fact that there are only a few body plans for all life on Earth. Working backwards, they can be shown to have arisen from a single template. It's not unlike reconstructing an unattested proto-language using comparative linguistics and working backwards. I will concede to, and like the theory of a shadow biosphere: that life has arisen multiple times on Earth, and may be doing so even now.
Photonic
Ad astra!
Language, interestingly enough, evolves in a manner similar to life.
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Dirty Penguin
Master Of Ceremony
No there isn't. Don't confuse multiple mechanisms for evolution with the ToE. The ToE is based on multiple scientific facts across multiple fields of science. It encompasses various mechanisms for Evolution. Also...don't confuse hypothesis ("Independent Origin Hypothesis") with (The Theory Of Evolution). A hypothesis is a long ways away from being a Theory where theory is far greater than a hypothesis.
Theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
a proposed explanation of empirical phenomena, made in a way consistent with scientific method. Such theories are preferably described in such a way that any scientist in the field is in a position to understand and either provide empirical support ("verify") or empirically contradict ("falsify") it............Theories are analytical tools for understanding, explaining, and making predictions about a given subject matter.
Hypothesis
Sometimes a hypothesis never reaches the point of being considered a theory because there is no way to derive its assertions analytically or no way to test them empirically.
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IsmailaGodHasHeard
Well-Known Member
That sounds like theistic evolution.
EarthAlive
Member
You may want to look up "Non-Darwinian evolution".
This is sounding less like modern science and more like ancient pantheistic philosophy.
Dirty Penguin
Master Of Ceremony
You may want to present the supposed evidence you have. It's not our job to do your leg work.
As does technology.
EarthAlive
Member
Yes but the independent origins of (senapathy and schwabe) claims that all organisms came from chemical pools, so genetic novelty would be shared in the pools so this would explain your comment about only a few body plans, however later the organisms would leave the pools independently.