Am I saved if I have a different biblical interpretation of the oneness of God?

[Watchmen]

Thank-you for the excellent analogy.

To extend your analogy, it's like "Cookie" is "Christian" and ingredients like chocolate chips is like "trinity" or "there is no more prophets, the Bible is the end of revelation".

Because John 17:21 can be interpreted to be "Christian" but not necessarily "trinitarian". I agree that I am not a trinitarian. But I don't see how I am not a "Christian" since I believe that Christ is Lord, I worship Him, I believe He died for my sins, I accept Him as my Savior, I follow His teaching in the Bible.

Well, I think it’s more like chocolate chips are Jesus. Mormons have raisins. Might be similar but not the same.

 

[Bree]

Yes. I follow the Bible.

By the way, the Bible (stick of Judah) prophesies the coming forth of the Book of Mormon (stick of Ephraim) , which is written by prophets authorized, guided by and visited by Jesus Christ in ancient America.

and the muslims say the same thing about Mohammad.

Our viewpoint is that the scriptures that where written and used by the Apostles of Christ and the early christians are the ones we should consider inspired. Any additions in later centuries are really moot. They cannot and should not be viewed as being from God.

The bible provides all the information we need to see us into the future God has spoken and promised in his word. Every detail about what will occur in our times is written there. The only new books/scrolls mentioned or foretold to come are the ones that will be written AFTER ARMAGEDDON. And if Armageddon has not yet occured, then there is no reason to believe that anything written in this time is from God.

 

[Andrew Reil]

Not in jest, Andrew. There are hundreds of different Churches and they won't all believe in yours. Some Christians won't even take food or drink with you.
But you might accept all Christians, from Christian Spiritualists to Jehovah's Witnesses to Catholics etc.


Theology, lifestyle, etc..... yes.


True. Look at the back of one of your fingers closely. There are many fine hairs upon it. Select one out and try to keep focus on that one. Were you ever aware of it before? Did you care about it? That's how I perceive that God could not be aware of this whole planet....... far too huge.

Thank-

a noble endeavor. if not asked ,have you considered a different possibility? one where the earth is remade into a paradise, no war, no growing old never dyeing at all . a world were Jesus rules the entire earth .

Yes I believe that will happen, in fact soon

I don't see that as a different possibility though.

 

[Andrew Reil]

Well, I think it’s more like chocolate chips are Jesus. Mormons have raisins. Might be similar but not the same.

Can we explore that further?

The reason I think that the Godhead is the raisons is because my church's definition of oneness (John 17:21) is different from the trinity view.

But my church's view on Jesus Christ, I believe, exactly matches that of other Christians, because I believe that:

1. Jesus Christ is the Son of God
2. He died for our sins
3. He rose again on the third day
4. He is our Saviour
5. He is God
6. I worship Him
7. I believe His teachings in the Bible
8. He will come again in glory

 

[Andrew Reil]

and the muslims say the same thing about Mohammad.

Our viewpoint is that the scriptures that where written and used by the Apostles of Christ and the early christians are the ones we should consider inspired. Any additions in later centuries are really moot. They cannot and should not be viewed as being from God.

The bible provides all the information we need to see us into the future God has spoken and promised in his word. Every detail about what will occur in our times is written there. The only new books/scrolls mentioned or foretold to come are the ones that will be written AFTER ARMAGEDDON. And if Armageddon has not yet occured, then there is no reason to believe that anything written in this time is from God.

Thank-you for your explanation.

 

[Watchmen]

Can we explore that further?

The reason I think that the Godhead is the raisons is because my church's definition of oneness (John 17:21) is different from the trinity view.

But my church's view on Jesus Christ, I believe, exactly matches that of other Christians, because I believe that:

1. Jesus Christ is the Son of God
2. He died for our sins
3. He rose again on the third day
4. He is our Saviour
5. He is God
6. I worship Him
7. I believe His teachings in the Bible
8. He will come again in glory

I think traditional Christians would dispute that The Mormon Christ “exactly matches.” You say the words but they have different meanings. For example, what do you mean by Christ is the Son of God?

 

[Andrew Reil]

I think traditional Christians would dispute that The Mormon Christ “exactly matches.” You say the words but they have different meanings. For example, what do you mean by Christ is the Son of God?

Traditional Christians do indeed dispute it. That's what I'm trying to find out about.

When I say "Son of God" I mean that Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of the Father (John 3:16).

I *think* maybe a trinitarian Christian would say that "Son" is not a literal term as is used with regular people, since God is One. So the fact that I believe that the Father is the literal father of Christ makes me different. But my question is, why should that disqualify my belief in Jesus Christ?

 

[Hockeycowboy]

Hello Saint Frankenstein ! Hope you’re staying well through this pandemic!
Just a few points....

There's a simple explanation for that - it's because Christ has two natures - Divine and human. He is humanity's High Priest and part of His mission was to be an example to humanity. During His ministry on earth, He came here to teach and to die and be resurrected. The Son's role is not the same as the Father's, and the Son most certainly seeks to please the Father and do His will. However, He did make statements pointing to Him being God such as "before Abraham was, I AM" which almost got Him stoned has His Jewish audience recognized right away what He was saying, and also Thomas proclaiming Him "my Lord and my God!" after touching His wounds.

Also, why wouldn't Jesus pray to commune with His Father? After all, they're not the same Persons.

First of all, a comment from a respected trinitarian, himself:
Roman Catholic scholar John L. McKenzie, S.J., in his Dictionary of the Bible, says: “The trinity of persons within the unity of nature is defined in terms of ‘person’ and ‘nature’ which are G[ree]k philosophical terms; actually the terms do not appear in the Bible. The trinitarian definitions arose as the result of long controversies in which these terms and others such as ‘essence’ and ‘substance’ were erroneously applied to God by some theologians.”—(New York, 1965), p. 899

Jesus was divine for sure, but that only means “from or of God”.... so are the angels, and this Earth, etc.

Does how John 8:58 is usually translated, make any sense? “Before Abraham was born, (I’m) God”? They were going to “throw stones” at him, because he just said he was over 1800 years old! They weren’t even thinking he was saying that he was God.
You know how we know? Because at Jesus’ trial in the Sanhedrin, recorded in all 4 gospels, not one person - not even the false witnesses they had there - ever accused him of saying he was God! Not one!

Such a teaching, that ‘the Jews knew what Jesus meant’, is shown a lie by using the Bible’s own context.

Don’t believe the lies that some people may try to feed you. These same ones, teach Hellfire, too. You don’t believe that, do you.

If you believe that the Devil is a real entity, as he is revealed in Scripture— and the Bible states @ Revelation 12:9, he is “deceiving the whole world”, it’s temporarily under his control (1 John 5:19) - we should expect that what is Christian truth would get attacked (more than other religions) & suffer corruption.

So, don’t get too disheartened in your searching for God.
In fact, I sort of always viewed the 33,000 different sects claiming to follow Christ, as affirmation that Christ’s original teachings were truth! Just under all-out attack, as is its sourcebook, the Bible.

Take care, my cousin.

 

[Brian2]

First off, thanks for pointing out my mistake.
Jesus is no longer flesh....he was “put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit.” 1 Peter 3:18
He was only “given” all authority, after he died faithfully.
Now he “dwells in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see.” - 1 Timothy 6:15-16

1Tim 6:15,16 seems to be saying that nobody has seen or can see God.
1Peter 3:18 seems to be speaking about what Jesus did when His body died.

The Greek word is “proskyneo”...
G4352 - proskyneō - Strong's Greek Lexicon (KJV)
...which is used in the LXX to describe Abraham ‘bowing down’ to the sons of Heth. Obviously Abraham was not worshiping them!

It seems to be a more profound reverence than just bowing or nodding the head. It is something that the angel in Revelations did not accept but Jesus did.

Your punctuation is telling, capitalizing “Him” and not the “one.”
The person “sent” is greater to you than the One who sent him?

I'm not really consistent with my capital letters, but thanks. I notice in the New World Translation that the one who sits on the throne is greater than the throne but the NWT has the Son using the Father as His throne.

It’s really amazing to me: that so many support a doctrine (and its many variations) that was devised by an organization that, despite their claims, dishonors Christ by being willing to kill their brothers for worldly reasons, a world that we’re not supposed to be a part “of.”
Their entire system is therefore suspect.

Can’t you see that?

I’m curious, do you believe the Hellfire doctrine?

Like you said: we’ll all be judged.

Wars and fighting in wars is an interesting topic I guess but we should not judge the truth of one doctrine by the truth of another.
The WT has also done things to dishonour Christ.
I don't see Hellfire as a place of torture by God, but as a just reward for actions performed. That of course is if it exists. The Bible is ambiguous about that imo.