Am I saved if I have a different biblical interpretation of the oneness of God?

[ElishaElijah]

Yes, that's right, that's Jesus Christ. That's who I put my trust in.

If you don’t mind sharing your testimony . Would like to hear it.

 

[Andrew Reil]

Ok do u believe in the Mormon texts? If so u are deviating from Christianity don't u realise that. It's the same as when we Christians deviated from Jews. I'm not sure how this is hard to understand.

Are you a OSAS (once saved, always saved) Christian, or are you familiar with their beliefs?

 

[Andrew Reil]

If you don’t mind sharing your testimony . Would like to hear it.

Sure.

I have received answers to my prayers and through the Holy Ghost that Jesus is the Christ, my Savior, and the Savior of all. I also have received spiritual confirmation that He, Jesus Christ, directed the composition, translation, and distribution of the Book of Mormon, and that the Book of Mormon is another testament of Him from His people in the ancient Americas. I also have received spiritual confirmation from the Holy Ghost that Christ's Father, and He (Christ) chose Joseph Smith, visiting him, and later directing him to start His (Christ's) church again on the earth to begin the dispensation of the fullness of times. I have more recently received confirmation from the Holy Ghost that the current President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Russell M. Nelson, is Christ's choice for the prophet who should lead His church on earth now.

 

[cataway]

are you saved ?? no . matthew 24 13

 

[ElishaElijah]

Sure.

I have received answers to my prayers and through the Holy Ghost that Jesus is the Christ, my Savior, and the Savior of all. I also have received spiritual confirmation that He, Jesus Christ, directed the composition, translation, and distribution of the Book of Mormon, and that the Book of Mormon is another testament of Him from His people in the ancient Americas. I also have received spiritual confirmation from the Holy Ghost that Christ's Father, and He (Christ) chose Joseph Smith, visiting him, and later directing him to start His (Christ's) church again on the earth to begin the dispensation of the fullness of times. I have more recently received confirmation from the Holy Ghost that the current President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Russell M. Nelson, is Christ's choice for the prophet who should lead His church on earth now.

I meant your conversion testimony

 

[37818]

Please explain something to me: You have said that you have to be "saved" in order to be a Christian. You have also said that the fact that someone may tell you that you are saved doesn't make it so. So, here's where you lost me... How does your telling someone that they aren't a Christian because they aren't "saved," make that any more true than the reverse? Seems to me that it's not our job to be telling people that they are or aren't "saved" or that they are or aren't a "Christian."

The difference is in what God says, Titus 1:2. Man cannot actually know what is in another man. God gives the new birth by which one can actually know for one's self to be saved, 1 John 5:9-13. So also the Apostle Paul wrote, in 2 Corinthians 13:5, "Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?"

 

[Katzpur]

The difference is in what God says, Titus 1:2. Man cannot actually know what is in another man. God gives the new birth by which one can actually know for one's self to be saved, 1 John 5:9-13. So also the Apostle Paul wrote, in 2 Corinthians 13:5, "Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?"

I'm not sure you're following what I'm trying to get at. You say no other person can tell me I'm saved, but you seem to not have a problem telling me I'm not saved. That's something that's between me and God. And whether or not I'm a "true Christian" is also something that's between me and God. Period.

 

[37818]

Please explain something to me: You have said that you have to be "saved" in order to be a Christian. You have also said that the fact that someone may tell you that you are saved doesn't make it so. So, here's where you lost me... How does your telling someone that they aren't a Christian because they aren't "saved," make that any more true than the reverse? Seems to me that it's not our job to be telling people that they are or aren't "saved" or that they are or aren't a "Christian."

Well in Ephesians 2:8 speaks of "ye are saved" and in 1 John 5:13, "ye may know that ye have eternal life." I am not going to deny this. This not like you or anyone cannot have this. In the summer of 1962 I became a Christian on the notion that I could know for sure. Any religious claims which offer me less is false in my view.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Well in Ephesians 2:8 speaks of "ye are saved" and in 1 John 5:13, "ye may know that ye have eternal life." I am not going to deny this. This not like you or anyone cannot have this. In the summer of 1962 I became a Christian on the notion that I could know for sure. Any religious claims which offer me less is false in my view.

I agree with this, a person will have the Holy Spirit living inside of them teaching and leading them into all Truth, bearing witness that they are saved. God isn’t divided and the Holy Spirit doesn’t teach contrary teaching. There is only one Church consisting of believers Jewish and Gentile believers built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ being the chief cornerstone. The notion that God had to set up a different church and provide a different book is a false teaching.

 

[cataway]

I believe I have a spirit inside my body, and that my spirit contains "me". I believe that when I die, my body decays in a grave, and my spirit goes into a spirit world. One day, because of Jesus Christ, I will be resurrected and receive my body back in a glorified form. At that point, if I continue to follow Him, I will go to heaven.

19 "for there is an outcome for humans and an outcome for animals; they all have the same outcome. As the one dies, so the other dies; and they all have but one spirit. So man has no superiority over animals, for everything is futile."
that being the case and as we have no reason to believe that any of the animals have ever gone to heaven .there really is no reason to believe you's will either.

 

[Katzpur]

Well in Ephesians 2:8 speaks of "ye are saved" and in 1 John 5:13, "ye may know that ye have eternal life." I am not going to deny this. This not like you or anyone cannot have this. In the summer of 1962 I became a Christian on the notion that I could know for sure. Any religious claims which offer me less is false in my view.

I'm not talking about whether you know that you are saved. I'm not saying that you're not saved, and I'm not saying that you don't know. What I'm saying -- and it's really not rocket science -- is that you don't know whether or not I'm saved. That's a matter between me and God, not between you and me.

Besides, you can focus on 1 John 5:13 all you want, but you still have to acknowledge Matthew 10:22, which states, "And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved."

 

[37818]

I'm not talking about whether you know that you are saved. I'm not saying that you're not saved, and I'm not saying that you don't know. What I'm saying -- and it's really not rocket science -- is that you don't know whether or not I'm saved. That's a matter between me and God, not between you and me.

Agreed.

Besides, you can focus on 1 John 5:13 all you want, but you still have to acknowledge Matthew 10:22, which states, "And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved."

Indeed. What better assurance than God keeping you. John 10:27-29. 1 John 4:7-8, 1 Corinthians 13:7.

 

[Fallen Prophet]

I want to understand why Christians do not think I'm saved. I don't want to argue with them. I genuinely want to understand their rationale.

Here's why it's a question: I recognize that there are many debates among Christians on interpretations of the Bible, yet my understanding is that a Baptist will still admit that a Presbyterian is saved because he or she has accepted Jesus as their personal Savior. But they will not accept that I, as a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, who accepts Jesus as my personal Savior, is saved. Why?

I have tried to ask this question many times, and except for once with a person I was able to convince that I do not want to argue, it has always quickly turned into why they believe Joseph Smith was an evil deceiver, not answering my question.

The one person who did answer me explained that because I do not believe in the Trinity, that even though I say the name "Jesus Christ", that I do not believe in the REAL Jesus Christ. That what I believe is a fictional idea that is not real, and that I have merely attributed the name "Jesus Christ" to that fictional idea. The REAL Jesus Christ that I should be accepting as my Savior is in the Trinity.

My question therefore is, if I interpret John 17:21 that "one" in the way that the followers of Jesus can be aligned perfectly with Him, the same way that Jesus Christ is already perfectly aligned with His Father, than does that interpretation nullify me?

Why do other disagreements over scriptural interpretation not nullify other Christian's beliefs?

And if a person who is initially unfamiliar with Christianity, then learns about it from a Christian missionary, and confesses Jesus, and then dies from an accident, and still harbors mistaken beliefs about God because he has not yet been taught fully by the missionaries, is he saved?

Your illumination on the topic would be appreciated.

My understanding from the scriptures is that everyone - save those who commit the unpardonable sin - will be saved...eventually.

We can begin the process of salvation now by accepting the Lord Jesus Christ in this life, repenting of our sins and receiving forgiveness.

Or we can refuse the Lord and decide to suffer the penalties of our sins in Hell after which we will eventually be forgiven once we have paid our debt.

Salvation is - however- merely the tip of the iceberg as the scriptures mention that the faithful can receive authority before God and can even become like Him if we decide to live up to the standards He has set.

So - according to the scriptures at least - you have nothing to worry about in regards to salvation if your eye is single to the glory of God and if you try to emulate Him you can eventually be as He is.

 

[ElishaElijah]

My understanding from the scriptures is that everyone - save those who commit the unpardonable sin - will be saved...eventually.

We can begin the process of salvation now by accepting the Lord Jesus Christ in this life, repenting of our sins and receiving forgiveness.

Or we can refuse the Lord and decide to suffer the penalties of our sins in Hell after which we will eventually be forgiven once we have paid out debt.

Salvation is - however- merely the tip of the iceberg as the scriptures mention that the faithful can receive authority before God and can even become like Him if we decide to live up to the standards He has set.

So - according to the scriptures at least - you have nothing to worry about in regards to salvation if your eye is single to the glory of God and if you try to emulate Him you can eventually be as He is.

False

 

[Fallen Prophet]

False

Such a compelling argument. Give my regards to your editor.

 

[ElishaElijah]

Such a compelling argument. Give my regards to your editor.

Such a compelling argument. Give my regards to your editor.

God is the Author and no argument or comment needed because the Scriptures are clear.

 

[Fallen Prophet]

God is the Author and no argument or comment needed because the Scriptures are clear.

If that would true then everyone who reads the scriptures would completely agree with one another - but they don't.

Perhaps you could point out specifically what I said was incorrect and cite the scriptures you believe proves your claim?

 

[Katzpur]

If that would true then everyone who reads the scriptures would completely agree with one another - but they don't.

Perhaps you could point out specifically what I said was incorrect and cite the scriptures you believe proves your claim?

Seriously, there's no point in arguing with a person who has a closed mind. It's mentally exhausting and will get you nowhere.

 

[ElishaElijah]

If that would true then everyone who reads the scriptures would completely agree with one another - but they don't.

Perhaps you could point out specifically what I said was incorrect and cite the scriptures you believe proves your claim?

Penalty for sin is eternal death in hell, there is only 1 way to eternal life and that’s through Jesus Christ. Unless you are born again you cannot enter the kingdom of Heaven. That’s why He came, we all were destined to hell, we had no hope. Read Hebrews 9

 

[Fallen Prophet]

Seriously, there's no point in arguing with a person who has a closed mind. It's mentally exhausting and will get you nowhere.

You're probably right - but is it concerning that I like watching them squirm? What does that say about me?