sandandfoam
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I despair.
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Am I The Only One Who Thinks Killing Osama Wasn't The Right Thing To Do
- Thread starter The Neo Nerd
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I despair.
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angellous_evangellous
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Needlessly.
Hermit Philosopher
Selflessly here for you
His death solves nothing and the happiness which his victims may feel right now, unfortunately, is not long-lasting. To rejoice the killing, even of a damaged man, can never enrich us in any whatsoever meaningful way.
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sandandfoam
Veteran Member
No not needlessly.
The US is by far and away the dominant force in the world and when it behaves to 'Godfather' standards and abandons the rule of law I have reason to despair. Civilization is under threat and the rule of the jungle is coming.
The USA has nuclear weapons for goodness sake, torture is fine, extra judicial killings are fine. Where is the beacon of justice and democracy?
This is a superpower acting like a rogue state that is accountable to no one. It is deeply deeply troubling.
I despair with good reason.
Amen.
Yes, you have good reason. But there is a larger context. The US has to face the fact that Pakistan appears to protect such malefactors
& otherwise subvert our legitimate interests, even as they spend the fortune in aid we give them to curry their favor. If we are to be at
war with a diffuse band of brigands, who hide within a sympathetic "ally" country, then this will mean sneaky & violent acts such as this.
I don't argue that it was either right or wrong to kill Usama, but it was reasonable.
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KittensAngel
Boldly Proudly Not PC
As I see it, for some people Bin Laden was a patriot defending his land and his people from the imperialist oppressors. And as such for countless Muslims and others the man is a martyr now and a hero that shall continue to inspire the fight.
What many of those Muslims who hold Bin Laden in high esteem don't realize or simply don't care about, is that Al Qaeda and Bin Laden slaughtered Muslims! They burn(ed) schools in Afghanistan, and killed children who were seeking to better themselves through education.
Bin Laden and Al Qaeda's cause is to keep the people of Afghanistan in the stone age and to keep women enslaved to the will and abuse of weak men, who believe a stupid woman is the best servant for God and for the man in her life. Failing that, she deserves to be killed. Until then, she deserves to be covered from head to toe, ashamed of her power as a female because it stands to corrupt men into becoming like unto dog's at the mere sight of her.
Bin Laden and Al Qaeda are terrorists who threaten not only the Western culture, but Muslims, because of an age old tribal warfare that interprets the Koran in a different way than do others. Shiite and Sunni, have warred for longer than the U.S. has been a nation, over such drivel. And it's caused oceans of blood to be spilled over the primary impetus that compels the wholesale slaughter of women, children and men and thus the desecration of future generations of God's children who hold faith in Allah, which is the inane question of who's right? Shiite or Sunni?
Bin Laden happened to be a Wahabbi, which is a sect if the Sunni. Which means he was what amounts to a far right wing ultra conservative zealot fundamentalist Muslim.
If someone wants to burn the whole world to the ground, is killing them so as to stop that a bad thing? Not only do I think Bin Laden asked to be killed, because of his terrorism and his agenda against his own people of Afghanistan and the rest of the world, but I think it should have been public so as to send a message to everyone watching.
And ideally, instead of his being allegedly killed in a room in a compound in Pakistan, I think he should have been captured alive and taken to a location where video camera's filmed his execution.
And the corpse, instead of being fed to the sharks, as we hear was done after the raid in Pakistan, should have been shown to be thrown naked into a pit full of pig's blood and entrails and manure, in front of his fellow Wahabbi who were in that Pakistan compound and would now stand bound around the circumference of that pit, where they'd follow in short order after being shot on camera.
And that footage then being delivered to Al Jazeera and other news outlets, would send the message that terrorists ask to be extinguished! And when the psychotic Muslim variety imagine they'll be rewarded by 72 virgins after, instead they'll find it's not to happen at all, which is where the pig's blood comes in so as to insure not only did they leave this life as they deserved through execution of a capital punishment sentence, but they'll now according to the Koran that inspired their murderous zeal, live damned and apart from Allah for eternity as Osama would be denied entry into Paradise forever. Thanks to the sacrifice of a few swine that were the final arbiters conquering a terrorist Muslim ideal!
It's a formidable enemy, one that has nothing to lose. However, when pig's blood can insure their faith in fable guarantees they believe they'll have nothing to gain for their terrorist efforts in life, it's only natural to destroy an enemy that has chosen to become yours, by exploiting what they fear most so that their own mind has already started insuring their defeat.
Should Osama have been killed? Did a man that would have cut your throat, simply because of who you are, deserve to be stopped?
What many of those Muslims who hold Bin Laden in high esteem don't realize or simply don't care about, is that Al Qaeda and Bin Laden slaughtered Muslims! They burn(ed) schools in Afghanistan, and killed children who were seeking to better themselves through education.
Bin Laden and Al Qaeda's cause is to keep the people of Afghanistan in the stone age and to keep women enslaved to the will and abuse of weak men, who believe a stupid woman is the best servant for God and for the man in her life. Failing that, she deserves to be killed. Until then, she deserves to be covered from head to toe, ashamed of her power as a female because it stands to corrupt men into becoming like unto dog's at the mere sight of her.
Bin Laden and Al Qaeda are terrorists who threaten not only the Western culture, but Muslims, because of an age old tribal warfare that interprets the Koran in a different way than do others. Shiite and Sunni, have warred for longer than the U.S. has been a nation, over such drivel. And it's caused oceans of blood to be spilled over the primary impetus that compels the wholesale slaughter of women, children and men and thus the desecration of future generations of God's children who hold faith in Allah, which is the inane question of who's right? Shiite or Sunni?
Bin Laden happened to be a Wahabbi, which is a sect if the Sunni. Which means he was what amounts to a far right wing ultra conservative zealot fundamentalist Muslim.
If someone wants to burn the whole world to the ground, is killing them so as to stop that a bad thing? Not only do I think Bin Laden asked to be killed, because of his terrorism and his agenda against his own people of Afghanistan and the rest of the world, but I think it should have been public so as to send a message to everyone watching.
And ideally, instead of his being allegedly killed in a room in a compound in Pakistan, I think he should have been captured alive and taken to a location where video camera's filmed his execution.
And the corpse, instead of being fed to the sharks, as we hear was done after the raid in Pakistan, should have been shown to be thrown naked into a pit full of pig's blood and entrails and manure, in front of his fellow Wahabbi who were in that Pakistan compound and would now stand bound around the circumference of that pit, where they'd follow in short order after being shot on camera.
And that footage then being delivered to Al Jazeera and other news outlets, would send the message that terrorists ask to be extinguished! And when the psychotic Muslim variety imagine they'll be rewarded by 72 virgins after, instead they'll find it's not to happen at all, which is where the pig's blood comes in so as to insure not only did they leave this life as they deserved through execution of a capital punishment sentence, but they'll now according to the Koran that inspired their murderous zeal, live damned and apart from Allah for eternity as Osama would be denied entry into Paradise forever. Thanks to the sacrifice of a few swine that were the final arbiters conquering a terrorist Muslim ideal!
It's a formidable enemy, one that has nothing to lose. However, when pig's blood can insure their faith in fable guarantees they believe they'll have nothing to gain for their terrorist efforts in life, it's only natural to destroy an enemy that has chosen to become yours, by exploiting what they fear most so that their own mind has already started insuring their defeat.
Should Osama have been killed? Did a man that would have cut your throat, simply because of who you are, deserve to be stopped?
And if it's the start of World War III? World War II began as simply.
Edit: Sorry, I meant World War I.
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One must carefully weigh the benefits & risks of one's actions.
I only say that how the US killed Usama appears reasonable.
The US says it was legal. BBC News - Osama Bin Laden's killing lawful, says US
Like they'd say it wasn't. lol
Like they'd say it wasn't. lol
Starsoul
Truth
sounds like someone's falling for funny conspiracy theories. Pakistan appears to what???! Nobody has suffered more via the war on terror than the pakistanis, the people, the properties,the cities have been destroyed, the morale of people has been crushed, the economy has nose dived, your inference is rather strange and shockingly un-informed, just like the media's propaganda.
Although i wish they could have caught him alive to stand trial i can see why it was better that they killed him,i just hope they don't stop and move on to the next in line.
I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but that doesn't mean that some countries won't engage in subterfuge at times.
Btw, you have no idea how informed or uninformed I am, so your slight bespeaks hubris.
I remember watching the News over Lunch when the second Plane hit,i remember watching people falling from the building screaming all the way down,i think he got off lightly because at least it was quick,he was no hero,he was a zero which is what he is now and i say hoorah to that.
I"m "meh" about it, but I understand your glee.
Although I agree with you that Pakistan has suffered from the war on terrorism, especially on the borders with Afghanistan and the influx of refugees...but Pakistan was already suffering before, in large due to inner-corruption.
The Neo Nerd
Well-Known Member
That i will agree with.
esmith
Veteran Member
Lol, and now Fox News is debating the "legality" of the hit on Bin Laden. You think that they would be debating this if Bush was the president who achieved the killing?
Is it two or more different guest debating the issue? If so wouldn't one reach the conclusion that they are allowing two different viewpoints to be expressed?
That's how it should be with any contentious issue.