America is a homicide and suicide by gun nation, but mass shootings get too much attention

[PureX]

True blue.

And it's terrible that such things happen.

Whether the numbers call for a national policy
is another matter.

Re mass shooters, deprived entirely of guns,
what might be their next move?

Whatever it is, it's probably going to be less effective, and kill fewer people. Guns are designed to kill quickly, easily, and efficiently. And military style guns are designed to kill lots of people quickly, easily, and efficiently. Such machines have no logical positive use in the hands of civilians.

 

[mangalavara]

Such a rule following society is bound to have lower crime, including murders.

What you say is spot-on. Here in Korea, not only are guns only carried by the military and some police officers, the rate of violent crime in general is quite low. I think the US could take notes from East Asian countries and improve. I’m an American, by the way.

 

[RestlessSoul]

Unlikely?
Not at all.
It's a racial / cultural thing.

Incidence of drug and alcohol abuse, rape murder violence is far higher in the black and native American population than in the Asian
population of the USA.

You could eventually get into trouble in Tokyo.

You would be lucky to get out of S Chicago alive.

Yeah theres more murderous per capita!

Well if it’s true that US citizens are particularly inclined to murder, it makes even less sense to allow them access to guns.

History suggests btw, that letting Japanese people carry swords wasn’t such a great idea either.

 

[England my lionheart]

There was one a mass shooting in New Zealand which was an act of terrorism and straightaway they took everybody’s AR15s away,New Zealand’s a safe place to live and hunting is part of life.

 

[Audie]

Well if it’s true that US citizens are particularly inclined to murder, it makes even less sense to allow them access to guns.

History suggests btw, that letting Japanese people carry swords wasn’t such a great idea either.

If a person such as myself, 44kg if my hair is wet,
should not be permitted access to
any means of self defense if I have reason to fear attack, in a high crime area?
Work through the logic.

Your reference to Japan, w/o citation or relevance to today's world was not worth posting.

 

[Audie]

There was one a mass shooting in New Zealand which was an act of terrorism and straightaway they took everybody’s AR15s away,New Zealand’s a safe place to live and hunting is part of life.

. A person bent on mass murder won't be stopped so easily.

They get no publicity but knife
attacks withany casualties are a thing in China.

 

[Audie]

Whatever it is, it's probably going to be less effective, and kill fewer people. Guns are designed to kill quickly, easily, and efficiently. And military style guns are designed to kill lots of people quickly, easily, and efficiently. Such machines have no logical positive use in the hands of civilians.

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"Whatever it is"?
What makes you so sure?
Theres the law of unintended consequences.

As for "no purpose" ( all aside from that
"military style" AR/ AK weapons function very differently from the REAL military weapons)...

I fired an AR a few times, when staying at a Uni- friends Wyoming ranch.

To me it seemed heavy and awkward but never mind.

They didn't buy it to play Rambo, but because it is- they said- ideal for long shots at a running coyote.

You may well have a point but it's not well supported by assertions of facts not in evidence, or, as where noted, plain wrong.

 

[England my lionheart]

. A person bent on mass murder won't be stopped so easily.

They get no publicity but knife
attacks withany casualties are a thing in China.

Big problem here in the UK too,.

 

[crossfire]

True blue.

And it's terrible that such things happen.

Whether the numbers call for a national policy
is another matter.

Re mass shooters, deprived entirely of guns,
what might be their next move?

Probably back to fuel oil and fertilizer.

 

[esmith]

What you say is spot-on. Here in Korea, not only are guns only carried by the military and some police officers, the rate of violent crime in general is quite low. I think the US could take notes from East Asian countries and improve. I’m an American, by the way.

You do realize don't you that the majority of people of East Asia have a different cluture view than those here in the U.S.

 

[RestlessSoul]

If a person such as myself, 44kg if my hair is wet,
should not be permitted access to
any means of self defense if I have reason to fear attack, in a high crime area?
Work through the logic.

Your reference to Japan, w/o citation or relevance to today's world was not worth posting.

There’s no logic to work through, this isn’t complicated. An armed population is more dangerous, to it’s own citizens, than an unarmed population, whether in 16th Century England, 18th Century Japan, or 21st Century USA. These were all violent times and places in which to live, in case you missed the obvious connection, and so thought it not worth posting.

 

[PureX]

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"Whatever it is"?
What makes you so sure?
Theres the law of unintended consequences.

As for "no purpose" ( all aside from that
"military style" AR/ AK weapons function very differently from the REAL military weapons)...

I fired an AR a few times, when staying at a Uni- friends Wyoming ranch.

To me it seemed heavy and awkward but never mind.

They didn't buy it to play Rambo, but because it is- they said- ideal for long shots at a running coyote.

You may well have a point but it's not well supported by assertions of facts not in evidence, or, as where noted, plain wrong.

Even if that were true, it would account for perhaps 1% of the sales of such weapons in the US. Everyone else is just playing with them, and fantasizing about how when the nation collapses they're gonna show us all who the real 'alpha males' are. In fact, they're so into this fantasy that many of them are hoping for the collapse, and even trying to bring it about.

The insane gun fetish in the U S is mostly due to the gross and pervasive emasculation of white males over the last 50 years due to runaway capitalist greed and a reaction by everyone else to the poor results of white male leadership of the past. Millions upon millions of "regular guys" who fancied themselves the alpha males of their society and culture have been turned into little more than the low-paid lackeys of a few very clever, greedy, arrogant, and amoral corporate tyrants and their rich upper class capitalist investors. Most of their wives make more money than they do. They are no longer anything even close to being an 'alpha male' in this culture and they are very angry, and very resentful about it. But there isn't anything they can do about it because money RULES ALL in this culture and they don't have much of it. Nor will they ever have.

So they buy lots of really scary looking, powerful military style guns and ammo and they go out and play with them on the weekends, imagining that they are all Rambos; showing the world who's really in charge when they get "pushed too far!" Guns are sacred male totems in this culture, now. Which is why no logical argument on Earth will stand up against men having them as an absolute right. It will never matter to these men how many innocent school children are murdered. Those guns are their only real, tangible, claim to manhood and they ain't gonna give 'em up, no matter what.

 

[Wildswanderer]

So you figure that with no Glocks the boys of south Chicago would quit killing each other?

Seriously? I bet they don't use Glocks. They aren't stealing most of their guns from the police.
I know! Let's make murder illegal!
Can't believe I'm the first person that thought of this! If we just made murder illegal like we did having guns in Chicago no one would...oh. Nevermind.

 

[Wildswanderer]

True blue.

And it's terrible that such things happen.

Whether the numbers call for a national policy
is another matter.

Re mass shooters, deprived entirely of guns,
what might be their next move?

How's that going to happen?
You think a law will make all illegal guns go away?

 

[Audie]

How's that going to happen?
You think a law will make all illegal guns go away?

You think I am stupid.

I think you don't read well.

 

[Audie]

Even if that were true, it would account for perhaps 1% of the sales of such weapons in the US. Everyone else is just playing with them, and fantasizing about how when the nation collapses they're gonna show us all who the real 'alpha males' are. In fact, they're so into this fantasy that many of them are hoping for the collapse, and even trying to bring it about.

The insane gun fetish in the U S is mostly due to the gross and pervasive emasculation of white males over the last 50 years due to runaway capitalist greed and a reaction by everyone else to the poor results of white male leadership of the past. Millions upon millions of "regular guys" who fancied themselves the alpha males of their society and culture have been turned into little more than the low-paid lackeys of a few very clever, greedy, arrogant, and amoral corporate tyrants and their rich upper class capitalist investors. Most of their wives make more money than they do. They are no longer anything even close to being an 'alpha male' in this culture and they are very angry, and very resentful about it. But there isn't anything they can do about it because money RULES ALL in this culture and they don't have much of it. Nor will they ever have.

So they buy lots of really scary looking, powerful military style guns and ammo and they go out and play with them on the weekends, imagining that they are all Rambos; showing the world who's really in charge when they get "pushed too far!" Guns are sacred male totems in this culture, now. Which is why no logical argument on Earth will stand up against men having them as an absolute right. It will never matter to these men how many innocent school children are murdered. Those guns are their only real, tangible, claim to manhood and they ain't gonna give 'em up, no matter what.

You are just making things up.
Not worth reading past the second line.

 

[mangalavara]

You do realize don't you that the majority of people of East Asia have a different cluture view than those here in the U.S.

Yes…

 

[Audie]

Yes…

The bicultural among us are particularly aware of that.

 

[metis]

There’s no logic to work through, this isn’t complicated. An armed population is more dangerous, to it’s own citizens, than an unarmed population, whether in 16th Century England, 18th Century Japan, or 21st Century USA. These were all violent times and places in which to live, in case you missed the obvious connection, and so thought it not worth posting.

And repeated studies have confirmed this, so you are obvously correct.

 

[Wildswanderer]

You think I am stupid.

I think you don't read well.

It was a question. I don't think you are anything...I don't know you.