America is a homicide and suicide by gun nation, but mass shootings get too much attention

[TransmutingSoul]

Like I said in the past.

It's a psychopath generation that's being bred now.

Guns were fine until this sick generation of people arrived on the scene.

The sickness may be our willingness to kill another human being.

Then we can go further, it may be our willingness to kill any living thing, without understanding the repercussions.

Regards Tony

 

[TransmutingSoul]

One example of the differences: Japan expects people to follow rules without question—even rules that don’t make any sense. And guess what? By and large Japanese society complies. Such a rule following society is bound to have lower crime, including murders.

A proof liberty requires our submission unto a code of laws.

Unbridled liberty leads to anarchy, the destroyer of unity.

Regards Tony

 

[England my lionheart]

A proof liberty requires our submission unto a code of laws.

Unbridled liberty leads to anarchy, the destroyer of unity.

Regards Tony

Do we get to vote on the code?.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Do we get to vote on the code?.

That is the democratic process.

People need to be educated that Guns are not needed in the general population.

This topic needs new eyes new ears.

Regards Tony

 

[England my lionheart]

That is the democratic process.

People need to be educated that Guns are not needed in the general population.

This topic needs new eyes new ears.

Regards Tony

Not eyes and ears from the 1700s,I agree I have a forlorn hope that the general population agrees.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

Not eyes and ears from the 1700s,I agree I have a forlorn hope that the general population agrees.

IMHO, Ears from the 1800's would suffice. Ears that heard advice such as this, which is as valid today, as it was well before the First World War, then a 2nd world war and now the start of a 3rd.

Imagine a country without guns and gun violence, that is what we could agree on.

"The earth is but one country and mankind its citizens."

"Let not a man glory in this, that he loves his country; let him rather glory in this, that he loves his kind."

"O rulers of the earth! Be reconciled among yourselves, that ye may need no more armaments save in a measure to safeguard your territories and dominions."

"Compose your differences, and reduce your armaments, that the burden of your expenditures may be lightened, and that your minds and hearts may be tranquillized. Heal the dissensions that divide you, and ye will no longer be in need of any armaments except what the protection of your cities and territories demandeth. Fear ye God, and take heed not to outstrip the bounds of moderation, and be numbered among the extravagant.

We have learned that you are increasing your outlay every year, and are laying the burden thereof on your subjects. This, verily, is more than they can bear, and is a grievous injustice. Decide justly between men, and be ye the emblems of justice amongst them. This, if ye judge fairly, is the thing that behoveth you, and beseemeth your station." All from – Baha’u’llah

Regards Tony

 

[England my lionheart]

IMHO, Ears from the 1800's would suffice. Ears that heard advice such as this, which is as valid today, as it was well before the First World War, then a 2nd world war and now the start of a 3rd.

Imagine a country without guns and gun violence, that is what we could agree on.

"The earth is but one country and mankind its citizens."

"Let not a man glory in this, that he loves his country; let him rather glory in this, that he loves his kind."

"O rulers of the earth! Be reconciled among yourselves, that ye may need no more armaments save in a measure to safeguard your territories and dominions."

"Compose your differences, and reduce your armaments, that the burden of your expenditures may be lightened, and that your minds and hearts may be tranquillized. Heal the dissensions that divide you, and ye will no longer be in need of any armaments except what the protection of your cities and territories demandeth. Fear ye God, and take heed not to outstrip the bounds of moderation, and be numbered among the extravagant.

We have learned that you are increasing your outlay every year, and are laying the burden thereof on your subjects. This, verily, is more than they can bear, and is a grievous injustice. Decide justly between men, and be ye the emblems of justice amongst them. This, if ye judge fairly, is the thing that behoveth you, and beseemeth your station." All from – Baha’u’llah

Regards Tony

O rulers of the earth! Be reconciled among yourselves, that ye may need no more armaments save in a measure to safeguard your territories and dominions."

Sounds like the 2nd amendment to me,a bit more logical IMO is a gun like an AR15 makes it easy to kill,or a high powered rifle used for hunting,surely giving people these weapons without thorough checks like the Highland park murderer is pure stupidity.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

O rulers of the earth! Be reconciled among yourselves, that ye may need no more armaments save in a measure to safeguard your territories and dominions."

Sounds like the 2nd amendment to me,a bit more logical IMO is a gun like an AR15 makes it easy to kill,or a high powered rifle used for hunting,surely giving people these weapons without thorough checks like the Highland park murderer is pure stupidity.

Yes we still need law and order and there will always be those that choose violence using whatever they can get hold of.

Regards Tony

 

[England my lionheart]

Yes we still need law and order and there will always be those that choose violence using whatever they can get hold of.

Regards Tony

And in the USA they can get hold of too much imo.

 

[Wildswanderer]

I agree that we should not give so much coverage to the shooters. The news should refer to them as evil, demented individuals too, instead of trying to find something nice to say about them.

 

[Audie]

It was a question. I don't think you are anything...I don't know you.

A completely dishonest question unless you do think I am stupid.
Either way it says nothing in your favour.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

One example of the differences: Japan expects people to follow rules without question—even rules that don’t make any sense. And guess what? By and large Japanese society complies. Such a rule following society is bound to have lower crime, including murders.

US vs. Canada is closer to an apples-to-apples comparison. We have similar cultures, a lot of shared history, similar demographics, etc. We even both have high firearm ownership rates.

Where we differ is mostly:

- ownership rate of handguns specifically
- gun control legislation: laws about who's allowed to own guns, how they're used, how they're stored, etc.

The US still doesn't come off well in that comparison.

 

[Watchmen]

US vs. Canada is closer to an apples-to-apples comparison. We have similar cultures, a lot of shared history, similar demographics, etc. We even both have high firearm ownership rates.

Where we differ is mostly:

- ownership rate of handguns specifically
- gun control legislation: laws about who's allowed to own guns, how they're used, how they're stored, etc.

The US still doesn't come off well in that comparison.

That’s true. I used Japan because it was one of the countries specifically mentioned.

 

[Truthseeker]

So the fact is if you buy a gun the most likely thing you'll do with it is kill yourself or someone in your family, that's just great!

I didn't mean to post and run, but now I'm back! How about teaching in schools practical things for once, like the chances you will kill someone in your household as compared to killing a burgler!

 

[Truthseeker]

Actually, you might want to check the historical statistics first....
• Death rate for homicide in the U.S. 1950-2018 | Statista
Homoffendersbyage - Gun violence in the United States - Wikipedia

Doesn't surprise none that 18-24 would be the highest rate of homicide.

 

[Truthseeker]

The issue is way more complex than guns vs no-guns. For example, I’m confident the murder rates between Japan and the US would remain vastly different even with the same number of guns (or if both countries had none). Why? Because there are drastic societal and cultural differences that go beyond gun access.

I wouldn't know anything about that.

 

[crossfire]

Doesn't surprise none that 18-24 would be the highest rate of homicide.

That's probably why they get sent out to fight wars.

 

[Truthseeker]

It's really not that complex. The more guns in circulation, the greater the number of people either a) getting shot, or b) shooting themselves. All the social, medical, psychological and moral issues that cause people to shoot each other still exist in countries where access to firearms is strictly controlled, but guess what? These issues don't result in shootings, mass or otherwise.

He wasn't talking about shootings, but murders. Still, the article said the murder rate is 26 times that of Japan.

 

[Truthseeker]

Japan expects people to follow rules without question—even rules that don’t make any sense. And guess what? By and large Japanese society complies. Such a rule following society is bound to have lower crime, including murders.

Could be. I think there may be something to that. But how much difference does it make? Can you quantify it?

 

[Truthseeker]

The US has a long history of resolving any personal dispute with deadly force. Our 'go-to' response to problems with other humans is to obliterate them in with excessive violence. We see this ideal constantly glorified in our movies and music and literature. We also have a long history of seeing ourselves as 'lone wolves'; independent, self-empowered, beholding to no one (especially each other). And so we are obliged to dispense justice, ourselves, as we see fit. (So we think.) And yet we are living in an economic system that has effectively enslaved most of us. Creating a huge obsession with the gun culture fantasy. Guns are emblems, now, of masculinity, autonomy, independence, righteousness, and self-empowerment in a culture that has been stripping these away for a century, even as it glorifies them in the media.

So of course the US has a completely different idea of guns, gun violence, and gun culture than Japan, and than any other nation on Earth. Guns and righteous killing are huge cultural totems in the US, so of course we kill ourselves and each other with guns at an alarming rate. It's 'who we are', not just what we do.

I see a lot of truth in that.