This may be true. My wood shop teacher was a pretty nice guy - very laid back, happy.
But the metal shop teacher was a complete jerk - uptight and angry most of the time.
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America is Regressing into a Developing Nation for Most People
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This may be true. My wood shop teacher was a pretty nice guy - very laid back, happy.
But the metal shop teacher was a complete jerk - uptight and angry most of the time.
He must've been a Scot.
Metal shop teachers & students are natural enemies.
Koldo
Outstanding Member
Yes, supervision and teaching seem to be the natural development when one gets older in those fields.
Aye, experience increases as spryness declines.
It's perfect!
I don't think so. It strikes me that the unions are fighting for decent wages not excessive wages. The oligarchs need to be taxed at a much higher rate than most of them are.
The "sides" we should be worrying about are the oligarchs and the rest of us. (And of course the oligarchs have most of our politicians in their pockets.) Fighting between rank and file Dems and GOPers is a distraction from the real problem.
Yes, and these days computer programming can often be considered a "vocation".
Decent article. Tim O'Reilly's book "WTF" (what's the future), has some perspectives on solving these problems that are worth understanding.
But job 1 is to undo the oligarchy. I think that Nick Hanauer's take on this is pretty good. I'd be curious if anyone thinks his thinking has any significant errors?
I agree and this is kind of the point I wanted to bring out.
Fear? Yes in a weird way. Fear of which candidate is going to make a bad situation worse.
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
The disappearing Middle class Is more to do with the basic lack of need for middle management.
More and more businesses have got rid of a majority of supervisory positions as well as virtually all general management.
and unskilled work is now almost extinct.
Many companies now have a solid ground highly skilled workers who are largely self managing, and answering directly to senior managers at director level. Some of these skilled workers might be classed as "Team Leaders" but with very few management benefits. The management of such companies has become extremely flat. I noticed this trend in the early 80's in the UK.
The problem today is that a vast majority of the money and assets circulates at the top level. And Infrastructure, local government, health and social services No longer have a tax base to support them. As the top echelon have divorced them selves from supporting the majority, as was historically the case in the now not so recent past.
The result is a financial and tax system, that is not fit for purpose, with the majority missing out on any benefit from the explosion of "On line" and the digital world, which underlies much of today's business world, but which as a global entity, contributes very little to the tax and spend economy, either locally or nationally.
The poor are neither needed nor supported.
More and more businesses have got rid of a majority of supervisory positions as well as virtually all general management.
and unskilled work is now almost extinct.
Many companies now have a solid ground highly skilled workers who are largely self managing, and answering directly to senior managers at director level. Some of these skilled workers might be classed as "Team Leaders" but with very few management benefits. The management of such companies has become extremely flat. I noticed this trend in the early 80's in the UK.
The problem today is that a vast majority of the money and assets circulates at the top level. And Infrastructure, local government, health and social services No longer have a tax base to support them. As the top echelon have divorced them selves from supporting the majority, as was historically the case in the now not so recent past.
The result is a financial and tax system, that is not fit for purpose, with the majority missing out on any benefit from the explosion of "On line" and the digital world, which underlies much of today's business world, but which as a global entity, contributes very little to the tax and spend economy, either locally or nationally.
The poor are neither needed nor supported.
Maybe in the UK, but certainly not in the US. Most of the American Middle Class were relatively well paid factory workers, quite often represented by unions. There were plenty of mid level managers and other professionals, of course, but the bulk were factory workers.
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
Even skilled workers were not considered middle class here. Nor were many small business owners, or shop owners.
There was a large income gap between most of those and professionals, and certainly them and "gentlemen" .
Middle class was synonymous with managemet, middle and upper. And inherited or accumulated wealth. And strictly white collar.
Yep. The lesser of two evils. It's sometimes more a matter of voting against someone else than actually getting behind and voting for someone. That's how the two parties maintain a lockhold on power.
I remember when Nader was running in 2004, a lot of Democrats were thinking about voting for him, but many other Democrats were chiding them over that, saying that a vote for Nader was actually a vote for Bush. That kind of talk is rather manipulative and tends to goad people away from voting third party.
tytlyf
Not Religious
Great video. Guy thinks like I do. Everyone knows the middle class are the job creators. Republicans are responsible for the vanishing middle class.