Americastan.....Patriarchy Or Matriarchy?

[Revoltingest]

Ditto. The last one I remember playing was probably about 40 years ago, and it was called "Centipede". But even then it was a rarity for me. Heck, I can't even stand texting, so I had that shut off on my phone years ago.

I last played Pong around 1975 or so.
I was unimpressed.
I'll guess they've gotten better, but nothing beats go.
(While sitting in court, I occupy my idle periods by reading a book about tesuji.....a technique in go.)

 

[metis]

(While sitting in court, I occupy my idle periods by reading a book about tesuji.....a technique in go.)

What's "tesuji" and what were you being tried for?

 

[Revoltingest]

What's "tesuji" and what were you being tried for?

Long story short, my deeply disturbed brother finagled executorship of my father's trust.
With an ax to grind, he filed a frivolous & vexatious suit against me back in 2013.
He wasted the trust in the process.
Today, I won overwhelmingly.
It cost me only $90,000 in legal fees.
But I won about $300 in court costs.
Woo hoo!

Now that you know the tedious details,
aren't you sorry you asked? That'll learn ya!

 

[Revoltingest]

What's "tesuji"...?

A tesuji is a particular class of effective local moves,
eg, split enemy groups, destroy enemy eye space, connect one's separate groups.

 

[metis]

Long story short, my deeply disturbed brother finagled executorship of my father's trust.
With an ax to grind, he filed a frivolous & vexatious suit against me back in 2013.
He wasted the trust in the process.
Today, I won overwhelmingly.
It cost me only $90,000 in legal fees.
But I won about $300 in court costs.
Woo hoo!

Now that you know the tedious details,
aren't you sorry you asked? That'll learn ya!

Can't families sometimes be so much "fun"? We have some issues on my wife's side of the family, but none are as nasty as what you appear to have experienced. Heck, maybe you could teach them a thing or two.

 

[metis]

A tesuji is a particular class of effective moves with local effect,
eg, split enemy groups, destroy enemy eye space, connect one's separate groups.

Is it from the Japanese? Never run across that term before. Does it come with sushi?

 

[Revoltingest]

Can't families sometimes be so much "fun"? We have some issues on my wife's side of the family, but none are as nasty as what you appear to have experienced. Heck, maybe you could teach them a thing or two.

I do a fair amount of teaching/consulting.
My failures & other tribulations are wonderful material.

 

[Revoltingest]

Is it from the Japanese? Never run across that term before. Does it come with sushi?

The term is Japanese, but the game originates in China several millennia ago.
Sushi is seldom available at go equipment stores.

Trivia.....
The word, "aji", is a term used in both go & sushi.
In the latter, it means "taste".
In go, it refers to the 'flavor' of potential for future development in an area of the game which is out of play at the moment.

 

[metis]

I do a fair amount of teaching/consulting.
My failures & other tribulations are wonderful material.

Hey, I can relate. Two of my grandkids, for example, have been going through some personal "hells", and my daughters keep sending them to me to help out, which is a yoke I'm very willing to bear. I am brutally honest with them by often using my screw-ups as examples-- and I gotta good list of 'em, let me tell ya.

Speaking of which, my grandson is taking me with him on a Caribbean cruise in late March for his senior trip. I wasn't ever looking forward to any cruise, but I'm going because of him. He'll be attending Loyola University this fall, and my oldest granddaughter is maybe going to attend UoM, but right now Case-Western, which she's been accepted to with a pretty good scholarship, is highest on her list. Unfortunately, she suffers from mood disorder that periodically bites her in the butt. My son, who's now 42 and owns his own small company, suffers from bipolar disorder, so this is an area that I'm familiar with-- painfully so at times.

 

[metis]

The term is Japanese, but the game originates in China several millennia ago.
Sushi is seldom available at go equipment stores.

Trivia.....
The word, "aji", is a term used in both go & sushi.
In the latter, it means "taste".
In go, it refers to the 'flavor' of potential for future development in an area of the game which is out of play at the moment.

One of my friends used to work at GM, and he spent time in Japan on a regular basis. When he retired, he spent two weeks there in the more mountainous areas, and the pictures he took were just amazingly beautiful!

BTW, I love the food, and there's an excellent place in Novi, the Cherry Blossom. Unfortunately, my wife doesn't care for that cuisine, so it's been a long time since I've been there.

 

[Midnight Rain]

Actually, many life saving products which are necessary for both men & women are taxed.
So this would be not an example of sex discrimination, but possibly over-taxation of everyone.

Care to name a few to give me some more persepective? I can't think of anything that is necessary to both genders that are taxed that are used as often as feminine products.

Well, I am in Michigan, & was a licensed real estate broker who had to address such law on a regular basis.

Address does not mean it pulls the same weight. Its far more of a local state issue than it is a US issue. I doubt any feminists are fighting to keep it there. I could be wrong.

 

[Revoltingest]

Care to name a few to give me some more persepective? I can't think of anything that is necessary to both genders that are taxed that are used as often as feminine products.

Things which are necessary to various people of both genders, & are taxed.....
Hard hats
Steel toed shoes
Sun block
First aid kits
Bandages
Fuel (used to heat home)
Eyeglasses
Toothpaste
Catheters
Crutches
Hearing aids
Antiseptic ointment
Cough medicine

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I hadn't thought of this as exemplifying a matriarchal element, but I think you found something here.
Our government does pay a great deal of attention to the safety of women, but far less to men.
The open tolerance of sexually abused male prisoners is tacit approval, ie, public policy.
We see police in the media joke about it, & even use it as a threat during capture & interrogation.

My point was more that men do it to themselves, much of the time. It's men who are lusting after and praising female sex abusers because "obviously" if the woman is a 30-something "hot blonde", the teenage boy "must've" wanted it and no offense truly occurred.

Also, the same ones who blast feminism also tend to hold macho viewpoints that belittle or discourage men who have experienced sexual abuse and assault from speaking about it and gaining sympathy for their ordeal. In fact, the macho mentality is responsible for the epidemic of male-on-male prison rape in the first place, because they use it as a form of dominance and humiliation. If you're raped, you're a "b***h" and you deserved it because you're weak. So go lift more, bro, and it won't happen to you again.

It's the whole macho personality that's very common and it's very poisonous. Men really need to stop upholding it.

 

[Revoltingest]

My point was more that men do it to themselves, much of the time. It's men who are lusting after and praising female sex abusers because "obviously" if the woman is a 30-something "hot blonde", the teenage boy "must've" wanted it and no offense truly occurred.

Also, the same ones who blast feminism also tend to hold macho viewpoints that belittle or discourage men who have experienced sexual abuse and assault from speaking about it and gaining sympathy for their ordeal. In fact, the macho mentality is responsible for the epidemic of male-on-male prison rape in the first place, because they use it as a form of dominance and humiliation. If you're raped, you're a "b***h" and you deserved it because you're weak. So go lift more, bro, and it won't happen to you again.

It's the whole macho personality that's very common and it's very poisonous. Men really need to stop upholding it.

Yes, & I'll add that because many situations are men abusing men, that somehow this makes the victims less deserving of sympathy & protection from violence. It's the perspective that we're groups rather than individuals. No one feels OK being a victim because of assault by another within a shared group.

 

[serp777]

I'm not so sure about that.

You never noticed all the immature males making perverted comments about how they wish that teacher was theirs when they were in school, when those stories break? It's pretty rare to find a guy who would view the male in that situation as a victim. We have a very long-standing perception that only females can be victims of sexual abuse, not a male. Male-on-male prison rape isn't even taken seriously. There's jokes about it all the damn time, whereas such jokes about women would be a scandal and the outrage over it would echo for eternity.

I meant in the United States and Europe, not backwards Muslim countries for instance. I am under the impression that men and women have the same rights in most first world countries. But yeah sexual assault on men by men or women isn't taken very seriously.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I meant in the United States and Europe, not backwards Muslim countries for instance. I am under the impression that men and women have the same rights in most first world countries. But yeah sexual assault on men by men or women isn't taken very seriously.

Having the same rights on paper is not the same as being treated as equals in practice. No, I don't think women are treated as equals in American culture (or the myriad of cultures that make up America) generally. I don't think men are treated very well, either. Socio-cultural ideals of masculinity and femininity aren't all that great for either men nor women in America, or most places in the world. It's just that sometimes it's more glaring and sometimes it's more subtle.

 

[serp777]

Just a reminder here....
Let's avoid the faults of extreme elements in feminism being writ large.
A great many feminists (including Mrs Revolt) are my friends, & are quite reasonable.
This thread is about examining the claim of patriarchy here.

Well I did say extreme feminists; but the point of bringing up the feminists was because some of the feminists create a victim complex and bring up the patriarchy as a scapegoat that oppresses them. I thought it was therefore relevant to cite a pertinent example.

 

[Revoltingest]

Well I did say extreme feminists; but the point of bringing up the feminists was because some of the feminists create a victim complex and bring up the patriarchy as a scapegoat that oppresses them. I thought it was therefore relevant to cite a pertinent example.

Aye, this is reasonable.
And we've been doing well enuf avoiding hostility to feminists.

 

[serp777]

Having the same rights on paper is not the same as being treated as equals in practice. No, I don't think women are treated as equals in American culture (or the myriad of cultures that make up America) generally. I don't think men are treated very well, either. Socio-cultural ideals of masculinity and femininity aren't all that great for either men nor women in America, or most places in the world. It's just that sometimes it's more glaring and sometimes it's more subtle.

They can do everything that men can. Actually they have more rights than men, although i'd say its totally fair, since they get to completely determine whether a child is born and the first 8-9 months of the fetus' existence--the man has no rights or authority in that matter once the genetic material has been given. In addition many fields like engineering encourage women by offering specific scholarships tailored to them. Furthermore courts are more conciliatory to women generally; women receive less harsh sentences and often have an advantage in divorce and in the rights to children. But i mean you're basically saying humans aren't treated very well; can you cite any examples where women aren't treated as equals?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

They can do everything that men can. Actually they have more rights than men, although i'd say its totally fair, since they get to completely determine whether a child is born and the first 8-9 months of the fetus' existence--the man has no rights or authority in that matter once the genetic material has been given. In addition many fields like engineering encourage women by offering specific scholarships tailored to them. Furthermore courts are more conciliatory to women generally; women receive less harsh sentences and often have an advantage in divorce and in the rights to children. But i mean you're basically saying humans aren't treated very well; can you cite any examples where women aren't treated as equals?

I was referring to how men and women are viewed and treated, culturally. Not in terms of law or education. (Actually, in terms of education, it's largely boys who are being failed in that area.) Women are expected to look and behave in certain ways, and men are expected to look and behave in other ways. That's what I was getting at.