An alternative to anti-Mormon protests

[lilithu]

It's not my job to make people feel good about themselves. I say what I think.

Then why did you give yourself the title of ambassador?

I didn't say it was your job to make people feel good about themselves. But it is the job of an ambassador to represent his or her people in the best way. It's an ambassador's job to make people feel good about you and your people.

 

[Worshipper]

I think he's calling himself an ambassador of the Nation of Deseret. It's possible that the way he is representing the views of the Nation of Deseret really are the best possible way he could present those views. If that's the case, then he's not necessarily doing a bad job of being an ambassador.

 

[Apex]

I say what I think.

The protesters are also saying what they think. And look where it has gotten them, they have become that which they claim to oppose. Looks like you are beginning to fall into this trap as well.

 

[lilithu]

I think he's calling himself an ambassador of the Nation of Deseret. It's possible that the way he is representing the views of the Nation of Deseret really are the best possible way he could present those views. If that's the case, then he's not necessarily doing a bad job of being an ambassador.

Good point. Who are these guys, extremist Mormons?

 

[deseretgov]

Then why did you give yourself the title of ambassador?

I didn't say it was your job to make people feel good about themselves. But it is the job of an ambassador to represent his or her people in the best way. It's an ambassador's job to make people feel good about you and your people.

And if you want to know more about the Nation of Deseret I would be happy to represent them for you. Otherwise My views are my own. My personal views that I post on this site are my own and do not represent the views of the Nation of Deseret.

Good point. Who are these guys, extremist Mormons?

Nope. Just regular people. Anyone from any religion or lack there of is welcome. Our goal is to provide a safe place for people as other governments fall apart or become overly oppressive.

If you have any questions I would be willing to answer them in another thread. I want to avoid taking this thread off topic.

 

[Katzpur]

Good point. Who are these guys, extremist Mormons?

I've never even heard of them, but if you check out their website, please take note of the statement at the bottom of the homepage: "The Nation of Deseret is not controlled by or affiliated with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints."

 

[jamaesi]

Nope. Just regular people. Anyone from any religion or lack there of is welcome. Our goal is to provide a safe place for people as other governments fall apart or become overly oppressive.

If you have any questions I would be willing to answer them in another thread. I want to avoid taking this thread off topic.

Ah, so you provide a safe place for queers where they have equal rights as they're just regular people and the government is oppressing them, right?

 

[gnostic]

The difference is the LDS suffered persecution for the sake of righteousness. The gays and lesbians got their feeliongs hurt because they didn't get their wicked lifestyle accepted by society. We haven't forgoten our own history. It's not about persecution, its about living in harmony with God's commandments.

No, deseretgov. You have completely misunderstood me.

I have nothing against LDS. My sister and her family are Mormons.

My post is only meant as a rhetoric.

I am saying if you want to ban the right for same-self marriage, then would it be ok to ban something that Mormons do?

I put the missionaries as examples. Would you like it if Mormon elders were banned from knocking on doors to spread your messages?

I don't thing you have to right ban other adults from marriage. There is no harm done to you and your rights are in no way infringed by same-sex marriages.

Would you like if other churches and government ban Mormons from temple weddings?

If no, then stop persecuting others with your self-righteousness. You can be self-righteous as much as you like, but you should not impose your righteousness upon others.

 

[Sunstone]

The difference is the LDS suffered persecution for the sake of righteousness. The gays and lesbians got their feeliongs hurt because they didn't get their wicked lifestyle accepted by society.

Are you actually capable of describing the deprivation of a fundamental human right -- the right to marriage -- as having ones "feelings hurt"? Am I reading you right? If I took away your right to marriage, would you blow it off as mere "hurt feelings" on your part?

 

[gnostic]

Nope. Just regular people. Anyone from any religion or lack there of is welcome. Our goal is to provide a safe place for people as other governments fall apart or become overly oppressive./QUOTE]

I've never even heard of them, but if you check out their website, please take note of the statement at the bottom of the homepage: "The Nation of Deseret is not controlled by or affiliated with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints."

I am glad to hear that the LDS is in any way affiliated with the TNoD.

It sounds like a club for homophobic people, regardless of religion, where you can safely oppress other minorities.

Don't you people in TNoD have better thing to do then spread your hatred.

 

[Worshipper]

Would you like if other churches and government ban Mormons from temple weddings?

A more fitting analogy would be to ask how he would feel if the government stopped recognizing temple sealings as marriages.

Prop 8 won't stop same-sex couples from participating in wedding ceremonies and being married — it just stops the state from recognizing those marriages.

 

[deseretgov]

Don't you people in TNoD have better thing to do then spread your hatred.

Ah, so you provide a safe place for queers where they have equal rights as they're just regular people and the government is oppressing them, right?

What are you talking about? I have never posted the Nation of Deseret's position on homosexuality. I have only ever posted my own.

Would you like if other churches and government ban Mormons from temple weddings?

First, sorry for responding to your post when no response was needed or being looked for.

Second, there are religions and governments the ban Mormonism all together.

 

[Autodidact]

In general, I think that a more positive, outreach type movement is going to be more effective than a confrontational protest type movement. Direct personal contact between gay people and Mormons would be more helpful. For example, ask for a gay-straight dialog at a Mormon Church, that kind of thing.

 

[Pah]

Not to be unsympathetic to Mormons but we all vote on the rights of ALL who live in this country...which means we DO vote on one another's rights everytime something get's put into or out of law...that is what democracy is...

Democracy has the burden of protecting the rights of minorities. It can not do so with just a vote. It must have judges of what is a right.

We really don't have the freedoms that we once had when this country was based on religious principles...try looking up 'The Mayflower Compact' once...see how it was meant to be.

We have more! The Mayflower Compact would be stupefying today and your particular religious practice may just well be "voted" out of existence.

 

[Pah]

...Prop 8 won't stop same-sex couples from participating in wedding ceremonies and being married — it just stops the state from recognizing those marriages.

And thus the punishment comes when the state does not "reward" as it does for your marriage

 

[Green Gaia]

Prop 8 won't stop same-sex couples from participating in wedding ceremonies and being married — it just stops the state from recognizing those marriages.

Duh! That's what we're fighting for, to be treated equally under the law. Yes, we already have marriage ceremonies (but they hold no legal weight), live together and have families, although I'm sure there would be some who would stop us from doing those things too if they could.

 

[Autodidact]

The difference is the LDS suffered persecution for the sake of righteousness.

By righteousness you mean--marrying who they want.

The gays and lesbians got their feeliongs hurt because they didn't get their wicked lifestyle accepted by society. We haven't forgoten our own history. It's not about persecution, its about living in harmony with God's commandments.

What's wicked about homosexuality? Wait, you're saying that you know there is a God, and what His commandments are? Please clue us in as to how you know that, please.

 

[Autodidact]

It's not my job to make people feel good about themselves. I say what I think.

Do go on. If anyone here was considering converting to LDS, you've talked them out of it.

 

[Autodidact]

Second, there are religions and governments the ban Mormonism all together.

Yup, and homosexuality is a capital offense in Saudi Arabia. Did you have a point?

 

[Mr Spinkles]

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