An example of why I am against prostitution

[Saint Frankenstein]

i thought that this would be obvious since i did not deny it or imply that there weren't any. anyhow, those are the "janes". and yes, of course there are male sex workers too. all you need to do is sit in a cafe on Place Pigalle and watch them all parade around in their respective territories; you cannot miss them there. here in the states this is just more hidden.

Yeah. I was just throwing that out there because I notice these discussions tend to revolve around female sex workers and male customers. It's the same how discussions on porn tend to revolve around heterosexual porn with the women as victims and completely ignore non-hetero porn and male porn actors. It's pretty annoying.

 

[Simurgh]

Yeah. I was just throwing that out there because I notice these discussions tend to revolve around female sex workers and male customers. It's the same how discussions on porn tend to revolve around heterosexual porn with the women as victims and completely ignore non-hetero porn and male porn actors. It's pretty annoying.

so true. but that's hegemonic thinking for you. like i said, spending a night in a cafe on Place Pigalle, is rather eye-opening and does broaden your horizons, especially when you can do so while you are still young enough to have an open mind.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

so true. but that's hegemonic thinking for you. like i said, spending a night in a cafe on Place Pigalle, is rather eye-opening and does broaden your horizons, especially when you can do so while you are still young enough to have an open mind.

Is that in Paris? If so, I'd love to go there.

 

[McBell]

Well, one judgment I can certainly pass is that if you're buying it, it isn't intimacy. It's hiring and actor to play a role for your own personal gratification, or masturbating with the help of a very sophisticated live sex doll.

And again, I say that not to pass judgment, but because it is the truth. Intimacy involves two people talking, sharing pleasure and being emotionally vulnerable with each other. Not one person indulging in fantasy fulfillment and another who is paid to fake it. I'm not saying you shouldn't hire a prostitute, you just shouldn't imagine that you're going to get genuine intimacy out of the encounter.

What makes your idea of "intimacy" the end all be all?

 

[Simurgh]

Is that in Paris? If so, I'd love to go there.

yeah, and don't you know that when you look up (i literally mean up towards the sky) then you can see Sacre Coeur (a shiny white basilica) on Place Montmartre, where the jazz clubs, artist colonies, and tourist traps are.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

yeah, and don't you know that when you look up (i literally mean up towards the sky) then you can see Sacre Coeur (a shiny white basilica) on Place Montmartre, where the jazz clubs, artist colonies, and tourist traps are.

Wow. It's so interesting how these things are "hidden in plain sight". It makes me think of the movie, Spread, which is about young people (20 somethings) basically whoring themselves out to well to do relatively older people and living off of them. In that movie, there were young guys going after older women and young women going after older men. Kept boys and kept girls. That sort of thing would seem to me to be rife within certain social circles. It's still a form of hooking, though.

Female sex tourism is a reality, too:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_sex_tourism

It's a big thing for white women to go to places like Jamaica and sleep with black guys for pay: http://www.newstatesman.com/2013/08/rastitutes-and-milk-bottles

 

[Alceste]

What makes your idea of "intimacy" the end all be all?

When you watch a film and feel emotionally connected to the actors, is that "intimacy", or is it just your own personal feelings?

 

[McBell]

When you watch a film and feel emotionally connected to the actors, is that "intimacy", or is it just your own personal feelings?

You did not answer the question.

 

[Simurgh]

Wow. It's so interesting how these things are "hidden in plain sight". It makes me think of the movie, Spread, which is about young people (20 somethings) basically whoring themselves out to well to do relatively older people and living off of them. In that movie, there were young guys going after older women and young women going after older men. Kept boys and kept girls. That sort of thing would seem to me to be rife within certain social circles. It's still a form of hooking, though.

Female sex tourism is a reality, too:
Female sex tourism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It's a big thing for white women to go to places like Jamaica and sleep with black guys for pay: Meet the middle-aged women who are Britain's female sex tourists

if you look at it through clear glasses, you see that in many cases marriage was just about the same. historically, most so-called good women had no way of making a living so they were obliged to marry. they were kept women regardless of what anyone says. and then there were men with titles who married untitled women with money; she prostituted herself--or her family did--for a title and he for the money. so where exactly is the line between prostitution and a business decision called marriage?

 

[freethinker44]

When you watch a film and feel emotionally connected to the actors, is that "intimacy", or is it just your own personal feelings?

What's the difference?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

if you look at it through clear glasses, you see that in many cases marriage was just about the same. historically, most so-called good women had no way of making a living so they were obliged to marry. they were kept women regardless of what anyone says. and then there were men with titles who married untitled women with money; she prostituted herself--or her family did--for a title and he for the money. so where exactly is the line between prostitution and a business decision called marriage?

Exactly! I've said that before, actually, just not on here. Marriage often is a form of prostitution, for sure. Therefore, I think it is hypocritical to be against sex work.

 

[Simurgh]

Exactly! I've said that before, actually, just not on here. Marriage often is a form of prostitution, for sure. Therefore, I think it is hypocritical to be against sex work.

well, seems we are in agreement, so let's have some wine and settle in on Place Pigalle and watch the world walk by.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

well, seems we are in agreement, so let's have some wine and settle in on Place Pigalle and watch the world walk by.

Sure! I'll wear a beret, smoke and sip red wine with you.

 

[Alceste]

You did not answer the question.

Lol, you call that a question? Looked pretty rhetorical to me.

 

[McBell]

Lol, you call that a question? Looked pretty rhetorical to me.

Your blatant avoidance is duly noted.

Since you are afraid to answer the question, I shall leave it go.

Though, in doing so, it makes it extremely difficult to take your intimacy rant seriously.

oh well.

have a nice day.

 

[Revoltingest]

You did not answer the question.

The "No True Intimacy Fallacy" cannot be answered.
At least not without.....

No doubt, penguins are the spiffiest of birds.
(Although turkey is best in sammiches.)

 

[Simurgh]

Sure! I'll wear a beret, smoke and sip red wine with you.

Let's try not looking like tourists. lose the beret and wear a baseball cap. other than that, it's a go.

 

[Alceste]

Your blatant avoidance is duly noted.

Since you are afraid to answer the question, I shall leave it go.

Though, in doing so, it makes it extremely difficult to take your intimacy rant seriously.

oh well.

have a nice day.

Lol. You're so funny. "Fine, don't respond to my needlessly combative rhetorical question as if it were serious! I'll just stomp off with my panties in a twist, singing my victory song".

 

[Wherenextcolumbus]

HAHAHA!
YEAH!!
Cause we would totally have arguments against prostitution and not the institution of marriage! The same institution of marriage that would tell us intercourse was compulsory and our husband could not rape us, and if our husbands beat us it was a private domestic dispute and no on else's should get involved and help us.
I think Emma Goldman summed it up pretty damn well:
"Nowhere is woman treated according to the merit of her work, but rather as a sex. It is therefore almost inevitable that she should pay for her right to exist, to keep a position in whatever line, with sex favors. Thus it is merely a question of degree whether she sells herself to one man, in or out of marriage, or to many men!... The economic and social inferiority of women is responsible for prostitution."

 

[freethinker44]

The economic and social inferiority of women is responsible for prostitution."

What's responsible for male prostitution?