That's just those darn kids on Rumspringa.
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paarsurrey
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In my case, I don't believe in God. Not that I'm anti-god, just I've no compelling reason to believe in any God.
od19g6
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What if I told you that we will never fully know/understand God, because God is not and far above His creation. The only way to to know God is through His names and attributes.
How would we know of God's name or attributes?
paarsurrey
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paarsurrey
Veteran Member
"The only way to to know God is through His names and attributes."
That is true, the other is that G-d Himself wants to Converse with one, like in our times G-d had a Converse with Mirza Ghulam Ahmad- the Promised Messiah and Imam Mahdi 1835-1908. Right, please?
Regards
paarsurrey
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G-d's attributes are mentioned in Quran -the Word of G-d, one may like to access the following link:
The Four Fundamental Attributes of God | Islam Ahmadiyya
The attributes of God (Asmaa-ul-husnaa) | Islam Ahmadiyya
Right, please?
Regards
od19g6
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It says in the the Kitáb-i-Aqdas that the human being can potentially display all the names and attributes of God at the highest level. That's what makes us human beings have dominion over the animal. The good qualities that we know of that the human being can display, those are basically attributes of God even though we don't call them that.
Even though every human being can potentially display all the names and attributes of God it goes further than that.
The Prophets / Messengers displays the names and attributes God at the highest level 'perfectly' so those individuals are the very best way to know God.
So basically if you want to know God the clue and the key is to know the human being.
If you told me that I would point out that God has never told me that. And the humans claiming to speak for God or describe God lack credibility.
Tom
od19g6
Member
Your comment is very interesting.
What do you mean by the word 'converse'?
God Himself never talked to anyone, not even the Prophets / Messengers, as a human voice. The Prophets / Messengers are very rare human beings they only appear around about every 1000 years and they have a very special type of inspiration. That inspiration calls them to speak/write divine revelation.
The islamic prophecy of the Mahdi and the return of the Messiah have both been fulfilled by the coming of the Bab: 1844, and Baha'u'llah 1863.
od19g6
Member
Well actually God has told us that through His latest Manifestation.
God will never tell you something in a human voice because that is a creation of God and God is beyond His creation.
Every human being can potentially display all the names and attributes of God. If you want to know God, you have to know the human being.
No, actually He hasn't.
Bahais telling me that their prophet is the true prophet doesn't give them any more credibility than the other religious people who do that.
I will say that Bahai is the best of the Islamic traditions. Far more inclusive, better ethics, it's just better in every way. But I still don't believe in humans claiming to speak for God. I just don't believe in humans that much.
Tom
There's currently about a dozen people alive today claiming to be prophets/messengers of God. Does it matter which one chooses to get to know?
od19g6
Member
We all speak for God, matter of fact we're all offsprings of God, we carry a piece of the divine within all of us. That's what makes us higher than the animal.
Baha'u'llah is the true Prophet for this 'day and age' he's not the last Prophet.
You said: I just don't believe in humans that much.
Do you believe in yourself?
Stop trying to physical find God Himself, God is not his creation. God's eternal core essence can never be known or understood, the only way to know and understand God is through his names and attributes which are eternally engraved within the human being.
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od19g6
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Well the questions that we have to ask is: what proofs of their prophet hood do they have? What do they actually teach? Do they practice what they teach? What prophecies do they fulfill from the scriptures of old?
You don't just get a pass and say you're a prophets/messengers of God, you have to prove yourself.
And Baha'u'llah has already passed those above criteria.
That's why Baha'u'llah says that in this day and age human beings are to independently investigate and seek out truths with their own minds.
So as long as I'm personally satisfied, I'm good?
They all have followers, so they seem legit to those that follow.
Prophecy tends to be vague an open to interpretation. many claim to fulfill a number of prophecies. As long as it seems reasonable.
So what about those that follow other Gods, other prophets. They are just as convinced as you are about Bahá'u'lláh.
There are also those that have had personal experiences with various Gods. Should they listen to what others claim or rely on their own experience with God?
Not really, that's why I remain without a belief.
od19g6
Member
Well you have to understand anyone claiming they're a Prophet / Messenger of God have to pass 'all' of the criteria mentioned and: Moses, Jesus Christ, Prophet Muhammad, The Bab and Baha'u'llah have passed all those criteria.
This is not about simply about liking someone, this is about asking if this person have come to give divine empowerment, give divine education and and inform and cultivate the human being's true divine nature.
If it where simply about just liking someone we'd have a lot more jim jones's.
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