An Issue Of Valuing The Lives Of Others

[Brickjectivity]

Gaza is a **** hole place (thanx to Israel).
But the residents deserve life, liberty, & prosperity
as much as I do, as Jews do, & as Christians do.

You wish. They are responsible for the manner in which they choose to live, just like anybody is.

I loathe Islam, Christianity & Judaism

And you love to equate things which are only tangentially related. Apparently.

for what adherents
perpetrate against others, & even their own.
However, the faithful are all individuals, many of whom
have risen above the evils in their scriptures & cultures.
And all, even the vile fundies who look down upon this
infidel deserve human rights as much as I do.
My standard is their being human, not their country or
faith.

Its the PLO not Islam -- regardless what religion. Murderers and those who cheer about rape are not going to experience human rights through me. They will never meet me. They will never be allowed near my family and friends or my allies.

Muslims have been a major portion of the
SE Michigan population for a century.
I've known many, & we all live together in
peace & prosperity. So it could be in Gaza.

And the PLO would shame them and probably kill them. Don't invite it to Michigan.

 

[Revoltingest]

You wish.

You disagree?

They are responsible for the manner in which they choose to live, just like anybody is.

I suppose that you blame Ukrainians for
choosing to live under bombs from Russia.

And you love to equate things which are only tangentially related. Apparently.

You should learn what "equate" means.
It's not what you think.

Its the PLO not Islam -- regardless what religion. Murderers and those who cheer about rape are not going to experience human rights through me. They will never meet me. They will never be allowed near my family and friends or my allies.

Israelis also sexually assault....rabbis & children, soldiers & civilians.
So your one-sided finding of fault is meaningless.
Moreover, it's evil to justify war crimes this way.

 

[Revoltingest]

I see that the pro DeSantis post was quickly deleted.
I had no chance to quote it. But I'll respond.

DeSantis: U.S. should not accept Gaza refugees

Instead, he said “the Arab states” should take them in.

www.politico.com

Saying that all Palestinians are "anti-semites" is just
more evidence that such Christian fundamentalists
don't value Muslim lives. He has no problem with
islamophobia & attacks on Muslims in USA.

 

[Brickjectivity]

I suppose that you blame Ukrainians for
choosing to live under bombs from Russia.

It is not evil to be Ukrainian, but it is evil to join the PLO and cheer for rape and murder.

Israelis also sexually assault....rabbis & children, soldiers & civilians.
So your one-sided finding of fault is meaningless.
Moreover, it's evil to justify war crimes this way.

They have brothels. Is that what you are talking about?

 

[Revoltingest]

It is not evil to be Ukrainian, but it is evil to join the PLO and cheer for rape and murder.

Do you believe that it's evil to massacre Palestinians?

They have brothels. Is that what you are talking about?

Israeli soldiers sexually assault both Palestinians & fellow soldiers.

Soldier kills herself after reporting rape. Now army probes suspicions of negligence

Despite Reporting the Rape on the Night It Happened, the Soldier Was Not Taken to Get Treatment, Her Complaint Was Not Passed On, and Her Access to a Weapon Was Not Limited

www.haaretz.com

IDF officer who raped Palestinian was not dismissed for earlier sexual offenses

Soldier had reportedly faced disciplinary committee over sexual harassment of female officers, but convinced military to allow him to remain in service

www.timesofisrael.com

A third of Israeli female soldiers were sexually harassed in 2021, report says

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www.haaretz.com

Beatings, burns, attempted sexual assault: Settlers and soldiers abused Palestinians

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www.haaretz.com

IDF, settlers allegedly bind, strip, beat, burn, urinate on 3 Palestinians in W. Bank

Palestinian accuses suspects of attempted sodomy in attack days after Hamas onslaught; Israeli activists say they were also victimized; IDF boots commanding officer, launches probe

www.timesofisrael.com

Israel is not a country of saints. They have all the
same human shortcomings as Palestinians. The
difference is that Israel systematically with western
approval & assistance kills & destroys on a much
larger scale.

 

[Brickjectivity]

Do you believe that it's evil to massacre Palestinians?

I think Israel will give Gaza another chance and not massacre them.

Israeli soldiers sexually assault both Palestinians & fellow soldiers.

This is against the law in Israel and soon will be in Gaza when law is restored.

Israel is not a country of saints. They have all the
same human shortcomings as Palestinians. The
difference is that Israel systematically with western
approval & assistance kills & destroys on a much
larger scale.

I do not credit Israelis with sainthood, but I consider them unopposed to my right to live and pursue happiness, unlike the PLO. It is its own worst enemy.

 

[Revoltingest]

I think Israel will give Gaza another chance and not massacre them.

We will see.
But I went out on a limb with a prediction that destroying
Gaza will make it unlivable, leaving few Palestinians able
to survive there, & that Israel will annex at least part of it.
This is a plausible explanation for the massive bombing
campaign, & orders for Palestinians to leave.

This is against the law in Israel and soon will be in Gaza when law is restored.

Israel is not big on observing law, either international
or domestic when it comes to non-Jews. Officially,
Israel criminal presumes innocence, but actual practice
differs for Jews & Muslims. This is just one element of
Israel's apartheid, & view that Muslims are lesser humans.

Israeli Criminal Procedure Law | Office of Justice Programs

www.ojp.gov

In Israel's mixed cities, Arabs convicted at much higher rates than Jews, study shows

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www.haaretz.com

I do not credit Israelis with sainthood, but I consider them unopposed to my right to live and pursue happiness....

I'll assume that you're not a Palestinian in Gaza,
or a Muslim in Israel. Their rights are opposed.

 

[Brickjectivity]

We will see.
But I went out on a limb with a prediction that destroying
Gaza will make it unlivable, leaving few Palestinians able
to survive there, & that Israel will annex at least part of it.
This is a plausible explanation for the massive bombing
campaign, & orders for Palestinians to leave.

The extensive tunnel network with exits beneath the buildings, taking of hostages and slaughter of a thousand people during a peace rally is the perfect pretext for bombing the buildings. If I wanted to bomb buildings I couldn't think of a better time or explanation for it. Buildings can be rebuilt.

Israel is not big on observing law, either international
or domestic when it comes to non-Jews. Officially,
Israel criminal presumes innocence, but actual practice
differs for Jews & Muslims. This is just one element of
Israel's apartheid, & view that Muslims are lesser humans.

Israeli Criminal Procedure Law | Office of Justice Programs

www.ojp.gov

In Israel's mixed cities, Arabs convicted at much higher rates than Jews, study shows

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www.haaretz.com

I'll assume that you're not a Palestinian in Gaza,
or a Muslim in Israel. Their rights are opposed.

Arabs are arrested more because of multiple factors. Muslims in Israel are involved in government and in justice. They are judges, in law enforcement, in legal practice, too. It does not sound like they are treated as lesser humans. It sounds actually like they enjoy being Israelis and can live profitable lives there and can run their own businesses and pursue happiness.

I was thinking of subscribing to that paper, only I couldn't find the procedure to cancel. Since I don't speak Hebrew I might not be able to cancel it properly, which I most definitely would after a month. It would be a 1 month fling no longer. Its not you its me.

 

[Revoltingest]

The extensive tunnel network with exits beneath the buildings, taking of hostages and slaughter of a thousand people during a peace rally is the perfect pretext for bombing the buildings. If I wanted to bomb buildings I couldn't think of a better time or explanation for it. Buildings can be rebuilt.

What about the people who died in them?

Arabs are arrested more because of multiple factors.

Like being not Jewish.

Muslims in Israel are involved in government and in justice.

Especially the justice system.

They are judges, in law enforcement, in legal practice, too. It does not sound like they are treated as lesser humans. It sounds actually like they enjoy being Israelis and can live profitable lives there and can run their own businesses and pursue happiness.

I was thinking of subscribing to that paper, only I couldn't find the procedure to cancel. Since I don't speak Hebrew I might not be able to cancel it properly, which I most definitely would after a month. It would be a 1 month fling no longer. Its not you its me.

It's fascinating how Israel's apologists
can ignore the apartheid, the killings,
the destruction, & the war crimes.

 

[Revoltingest]

Biden, a Catholic, is sending arms to
Israel to use against Palestinians.
Some are even used against Hamas.
No aid for Palestinians though.

MSN

Excerpted...
President Biden faces growing pressure from allies in Congress to publicly disclose the scope of U.S. arms being funneled to Israel, as the enormous civilian death toll in Gaza draws international condemnation and increasingly unsettles Democrats.

Contrary to its military aid program for Ukraine, which saw the Pentagon release recurring fact sheets about the volume of U.S. arms transfers, the administration has not made public the quantities of weapons it is sending to Israel. The administration is also pushing for the authority to bypass notification requirements to Congress that apply to every other country receiving military financing.

 

[Brickjectivity]

What about the people who died in them?

Like being not Jewish.

Especially the justice system.

It's fascinating how Israel's apologists
can ignore the apartheid, the killings,
the destruction, & the war crimes.

I think there has been no genocide, no ethnicide, no ethnic cleansing. The small country of Israel makes an effort to treat all citizens equally, treats all its citizens better than they'd be treated in neighboring countries. Its at war after being attacked by Gaza and the PLO.

You mention apartheid and allege that non Jews are considered less human. Entirely possible, but I cannot confirm it. Its entirely possible that small country will descend into a fascist pit of despair, but currently its one of the better places to be whether one is Jewish or not.

I in Israel a person can be an atheist, gay, female, Muslim, Christian or even Jewish. Its almost as if they believe humans have individual value while no country around them does, but because they are at war you do not trust this in them. Women there are free to drive, have jobs etc. But this doesn't matter to you, because the Gazans might not get the respect you think they deserve and are oppressed into letting people they don't like exist. And I'm an apologist.

 

[Revoltingest]

I think there has been no genocide, no ethnicide, no ethnic cleansing.

And I'm an apologist.

Those 2 statements are like peas in a pod.

 

[Brickjectivity]

Those 2 statements are like peas in a pod.

We will see.

You'll see. There will continue to be Muslim Gazans in increasing numbers.

 

[SkepticThinker]

One of my issues is as to how much of the population of Gaza has supported Hamas, now and in the future if they survive. Given that they must know that Hamas has been instrumental in the huge civilian losses. But so easy just to hate on Israel. Really no other way?

You should watch last night's episode of Last Week Tonight With John Oliver. He goes in depth about the questions you have posed here. Turns out, most Palestinians don't really like Hamas. It also talks about how Palestinians are afraid to speak out about Hamas. It also points out that the majority of Palestinians today weren't even alive when Hamas was elected in 2006.

 

[Revoltingest]

Jewish community leader (rabbi) shows contempt
for all Palestinians. His view that they're al guilty
supports the policy massacring them. This is what
he teaches believers, including children.

Massachusetts town approves proposal to fly Palestinian flag

A Massachusetts town approved flying the Palestinian flag for a month despite heated debates among its residents in the wake of Hamas terrorists’ attack on Israel in October.

nypost.com

Excerpted....
“For us in the Jewish community, the Palestinian flag, unfortunately, represents Hamas. It represents hatred, terrorism, antisemitism because Hamas is the elected party.”