An Ontological Proof that God Does Not Exist

[MonkeyFire]

Not interested in your proselytizing.

Even though you can fall in love only through creation? That is what angels would do. God is better like this.

 

[Tiberius]

Even though you can fall in love only through creation? That is what angels would do. God is better like this.

Your claim that a person can only fall in love through creation is an assertion only. You've given no evidence to support it at all.

 

[Tinker Grey]

Even though you can fall in love only through creation?

What's has falling in love to do with your proselytizing?

That is what angels would do.

What does 'that' refer to? What would angels do? Fall in love? How do you know anything about what angels would do?

God is better like this.

Like what?

Write better.

 

[Sheldon]

Even though you can fall in love only through creation? That is what angels would do. God is better like this.

What creation? What objective evidence can you demonstrate for this claim? Love is a word humans use to describe a wide range of human emotions, it has no connection to superstitious creation myths I can see, even were you able to evidence one?

 

[MonkeyFire]

Your claim that a person can only fall in love through creation is an assertion only. You've given no evidence to support it at all.

you can be reborn for ever, but we are only created once, and then we get our first kiss, and fall in love special. The idea that we are but a moment in infinity, is a plausible miracle.

 

[Tiberius]

you can be reborn for ever, but we are only created once, and then we get our first kiss, and fall in love special. The idea that we are but a moment in infinity, is a plausible miracle.

Yet another assertion with no support.

 

[BilliardsBall]

Irrelevant. You asked for examples of things that a majority of the population believe despite a lack of evidence. I gave you some. Have the grace to acknowledging that fact.

I didn't do the usual atheist "show me the peer review" because they are nonsense on their face. People, for example, push elevator buttons because buttons sometimes un-light, and there are no peer reviewed results showing 84% of people think pushing makes the elevator increase its traveling speed!

Most of the time most people believe due to evidence. Most of us have encountered God, if you've not yet met Him, the Bible says to trust in Jesus as the logical response!

 

[BilliardsBall]

You are defining a group of people by what they LACK, not what they all share. You've pointed out a position on religion that they LACK, namely, atheism. You can not show that there is a position that the SHARE, and that destroys your argument. The vague claim, "There is a deity of some description" is hardly convincing. That's like saying flat earthers agree with those who say the Earth is roughly spherical by saying they both reject the idea of a donut shaped Earth.

The prefix "A" in "A-theism" means lack in ANY dictionary result or Latin study. You LACK a God.

Nor am I arguing with you that people are stubborn--although your other post PROVES my point--most people after meeting God refuse to recant God!

 

[ppp]

I didn't do the usual atheist "show me the peer review" because they are nonsense on their face. People, for example, push elevator buttons because buttons sometimes un-light, and there are no peer reviewed results showing 84% of people think pushing makes the elevator increase its traveling speed!

The elevator thing was there so that you could amuse me by placing your focus there, while desperately avoiding dealing with the actual ubiquity of beliefs in fate, luck, divination and the belief that truth is determined by the number of people that believe a proposition.

Thank you for being so predictable. And entertaining.

Most of the time most people believe due to evidence. Most of us have encountered God, if you've not yet met Him, the Bible says to trust in Jesus as the logical response!

Irrelevant. You asked for examples of things that a majority of the population believe despite a lack of evidence. I gave you some. Have the grace to acknowledging that fact.

 

[Sheldon]

Tiberius said: ↑
Your claim that a person can only fall in love through creation is an assertion only. You've given no evidence to support it at all.

you can be reborn for ever, but we are only created once,

priceless, your response to be called on making a bare assertion, is to roll on to two more unevidenced assertions.

and then we get our first kiss, and fall in love special. The idea that we are but a moment in infinity, is a plausible miracle.

More ludicrous ad unevidenced assertions. I think a good start would be for you to learn what the definition of a miracle is.

 

[Sheldon]

Most of the time most people believe due to evidence. Most of us have encountered God,

I see the irony of that assertion, followed immediately by an unevidenced claim, is lost on you.

the Bible says to trust in Jesus as the logical response!

Well it would wouldn't it.

 

[Sheldon]

The prefix "A" in "A-theism" means lack in ANY dictionary result or Latin study. You LACK a God.

No, theism is a type of belief, atheism is the lack or absence of that belief.

 

[MonkeyFire]

priceless, your response to be called on making a bare assertion, is to roll on to two more unevidenced assertions.



More ludicrous ad unevidenced assertions. I think a good start would be for you to learn what the definition of a miracle is.

priceless, your response to be called on making a bare assertion, is to roll on to two more unevidenced assertions.



More ludicrous ad unevidenced assertions. I think a good start would be for you to learn what the definition of a miracle is.

ultimate creation by definition only occurs once, that is all I am saying.

 

[Tiberius]

The prefix "A" in "A-theism" means lack in ANY dictionary result or Latin study. You LACK a God.

You LACK belief in the Hindu gods. Hindus LACK belief in the Christian God. People of religion A lack belief in the gods of religions B, C, D, and E. And so on. But you don't care about that, because that doesn't help your point. So you ignore the facts when they are inconvenient.

Nor am I arguing with you that people are stubborn--although your other post PROVES my point--most people after meeting God refuse to recant God!

You do realise that I used to be a Christian, right? And now I'm not?

 

[Tiberius]

Most of the time most people believe due to evidence. Most of us have encountered God, if you've not yet met Him, the Bible says to trust in Jesus as the logical response!

That's hilarious.

If you haven't felt the blessed touch of the holy hooves of the Invisible Pink Unicorn, then just trust in her to show you the truth.

See how terrible that argument is?

 

[BilliardsBall]

The elevator thing was there so that you could amuse me by placing your focus there, while desperately avoiding dealing with the actual ubiquity of beliefs in fate, luck, divination and the belief that truth is determined by the number of people that believe a proposition.

Thank you for being so predictable. And entertaining.



Irrelevant. You asked for examples of things that a majority of the population believe despite a lack of evidence. I gave you some. Have the grace to acknowledging that fact.

I admire your foresight, but 84% of people don't believe in luck, fate, etc.

 

[BilliardsBall]

You LACK belief in the Hindu gods. Hindus LACK belief in the Christian God. People of religion A lack belief in the gods of religions B, C, D, and E. And so on. But you don't care about that, because that doesn't help your point. So you ignore the facts when they are inconvenient.



You do realise that I used to be a Christian, right? And now I'm not?

Yes you lack more than I. Agreed.

You used to be a Christian? Tell me about your relationship with Jesus--not "I followed this pastor, read the Bible, liked fellow Christians", please describe your intimate, personal relationship with Jesus Christ, if you don't mind.

 

[BilliardsBall]

That's hilarious.

If you haven't felt the blessed touch of the holy hooves of the Invisible Pink Unicorn, then just trust in her to show you the truth.

See how terrible that argument is?

Sounds logical except nearly 100% of people who've ever lived have felt the touch of God, nearly no one except atheists in forums have "felt" the pink unicorn.

I mean--let's go beyond the theoretical--YOU have had this conversation with many people, "God doesn't exist!" ... "No matter what you say, I feel God, I talk to God, God talks to me, I KNOW God is true and real and love."

You've NEVER had that conversation about pink unicorns with any person. All I'm asking for is a bit more realness and honesty than I'm feeling from you in this discussion.

Thanks.

 

[ppp]

I admire your foresight, but 84% of people don't believe in luck, fate, etc.

Where is your peer reviewed paper for that assertion?
Also, why can't you settle on a number. You keep be-bopping around?
Also, also, why does the number matter? A little argumentum ad populum, eh?
Also, also, also, you keep trying to cherry pick items from the list that you think you can nuh-uh. Which still leaves all the others.

 

[Tiberius]

Yes you lack more than I. Agreed.

You used to be a Christian? Tell me about your relationship with Jesus--not "I followed this pastor, read the Bible, liked fellow Christians", please describe your intimate, personal relationship with Jesus Christ, if you don't mind.

No, it's irrelevant to this discussion and I suspect you are merely asking in an attempt to say, "Ah, but then you weren't a REAL Christian!"