An Opinion: Islam Is Not a Religion of Peace

[Shad]

Congratulations, you repeated exactly what i implied.

I showed that regardless of being Muslim or from the West people treat women poorly. You also ignore the fact that there is 9 hours and 56 minutes not shown at all. You also said that how women dress protects them but this is forcing the problems of men on to women. Instead of teaching men not to be dicks the burden in places on women which is sexist in the end. I guess you missed the part when he was wearing the scarf. Congratulations on being a different form of the women in the video and not watching the video at all.

 

[Sees]

Because you might have ended differently.




I assume you are talking about the West. In muslim society's men are not pressured at all to look like anything you describe. It is not about looks in Islaam.



Thats not how humans should be. The West seems to accept all the bad traits of humans and turn it into something acceptable. That is never a solution, it leads to more and more problems as we can clearly see looking at America for example. The freedom you have is not the freedom you should want honestly.





Well earlier you said that wearing a niqab* erases your identity and now you say it is ok to objectify as long as you dont take away the humanity.
The double standards amaze me everytime..Do you even realize what you are saying?







I see you are objectifying again. A woman that wears a niqab is not a human to you.
In Islaam, women are not viewed as less. They are different. Both genders have different roles, they cannot be equal. Sure you can try and fight basic human nature with politics, media but you can't change that. Fact of life my friend.
And i am not interest in rape commited by 'muslims'. Just in America alone, every 2 minutes a woman gets raped.
You are not interested in that are you?

Reality about women in Quran:

O ye who believe! Ye are forbidden to inherit women against their will. Nor should ye treat them with harshness, that ye may Take away part of the dower ye have given them,-except where they have been guilty of open lewdness; on the contrary live with them on a footing of kindness and equity. If ye take a dislike to them it may be that ye dislike a thing, and Allah brings about through it a great deal of good.





We don't need secular BS laws. Keep them in America, so far its working out fantastic over there! I mean minus the racism,drugs,rape,segregation,discrimination,poverty,homelessness,pedophilia,massmurdering,robberies,copkilling,hatecrimes, sexism etc its fantastic!




Says the man who views women as non-human because they dress a certain way.




No there is no Islamic basis for a niqab, just like there is no islamic basis for women to not be allowed to drive a car in Saudi Arabia. This is cultural not religious.







How the hell is this evidence? If you do not have facts to back it up, just say so. These are stories and YouTube videos.

I mean you wouldn't call this evidence right?

Media uses women for money. Ads use women 9 out of 10 times half naked for money. Fashion industry labels women as in fat, ugly, short.
Overall women are treated based on their appearance, and you should not defend this if you truly believe women are equal.

Curious which Muslim-majority nation you would prefer moving to and living in, when/if means are available?

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Ah... shawurma?

You have to use words fit Dialogue
And moving away from words that do not serve dialogue and knowledgeIf you have love in the words of the Koran prefer her feet and show them to people
That is the question remains
Is the Koran is the religion calls for peace
The answer is from the words of the Koran
It is an explicit
Islam does not call for peace
And not calling for love
And all this from the Koran

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

People are free to believe what they want as long as they don't impose it on others.

Yes, I believe that people are free
But Islam does not know this intellectual freedom
Are you able to prove to us that Islam believes in religious freedom ???
Question waiting for the answer

 

[Smart_Guy]

You have to use words fit Dialogue
And moving away from words that do not serve dialogue and knowledgeIf you have love in the words of the Koran prefer her feet and show them to people
That is the question remains
Is the Koran is the religion calls for peace
The answer is from the words of the Koran
It is an explicit
Islam does not call for peace
And not calling for love
And all this from the Koran

My post clearly means that I did not understand what you said since it did not make sense in English at all. Sorry about that.
Anyways, I say it again, member Useless2015 answered you. Please have a look at it.

Yes, I believe that people are free
But Islam does not know this intellectual freedom
Are you able to prove to us that Islam believes in religious freedom ???
Question waiting for the answer

If you do, then why do you want people to not believe in Islam?
You mean the verse (there is no compulsion in religion) and the whole chapter of the non-believers "Al Kafiroon" that says (you have your religion and I have mine)?
You say you studied the Quran. How come you do not know those?

 

[Useless2015]

I showed that regardless of being Muslim or from the West people treat women poorly. You also ignore the fact that there is 9 hours and 56 minutes not shown at all. You also said that how women dress protects them but this is forcing the problems of men on to women. Instead of teaching men not to be dicks the burden in places on women which is sexist in the end. I guess you missed the part when he was wearing the scarf. Congratulations on being a different form of the women in the video and not watching the video at all.

Please do us both a favor and read my reaction to Frankenstein again...

 

[Useless2015]

Curious which Muslim-majority nation you would prefer moving to and living in, when/if means are available?

Well most Muslim countries are ruled by Israeli-American puppets. I guess if that will change, i would like to live in Morocco.

 

[Useless2015]

Yes, I believe that people are free
But Islam does not know this intellectual freedom
Are you able to prove to us that Islam believes in religious freedom ???
Question waiting for the answer

“So warn them: your only task is to warn, you’re not supposed to force them.” (Qur’an, 88:21-22)


“Had your Lord wanted, all the people on earth would have believed. So will you force people to believe?” (Qur’an, 10:99)


“ There is no compulsion in religion…” (Qur’an, 2:256)

 

[DawudTalut]

I wish of every Muslim to use his mind even know the truth
It was not the best
Nabih because morality is not the best
The words of the Koran is not the best
The teachings of the Koran is not the best
Greetings

Peace be on you.....Would you like to know peace and Islam in any of the languages you are comfortable with:
https://www.alislam.org/languages.html

This approach will clear your misconceptions. Insha-Allah.
Good wishes.

 

[Shad]

Please do us both a favor and read my reaction to Frankenstein again...

Do me a favour and watch the video you comment on before commenting on it...

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

My post clearly means that I did not understand what you said since it did not make sense in English at all. Sorry about that.
Anyways, I say it again, member Useless2015 answered you. Please have a look at it

I have not received any response from the member Useless2015
The dialogue here between you and me

I think that my words are not difficultWhat is the proof that the Quran believes in peace ???
Write us verses of the Koran, which calls for peace ??
with respect

If you do, then why do you want people to not believe in Islam?
You mean the verse (there is no compulsion in religion) and the whole chapter of the non-believers "Al Kafiroon" that says (you have your religion and I have mine)?
You say you studied the Quran. How come you do not know those?

I studied Islamic law
If you want to send you proof lectures on Islamic inheritance law
Well I I lived with Muslims
So I know the Koran in theory and practice
This verse, which speaks of a replicated
That is, it canceled
And I hope that you know the copyist and copied in Koran
It is not seeks a religion other than Islam will not accept it, a loser in the Hereafter
And also the famous interview with Mohammed
God commanded me to fight the people until they say to God but Allah -
وهذا الحديث اكتبه لك في اللغة العربية
أمرت ان اقاتل الناس حتى يقولوا لااله الا الله ومحمد عبده ورسوله فان قالوها عصموا دماؤهم مني

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Peace be on you.....Would you like to know peace and Islam in any of the languages you are comfortable with:

Arabic
Iraqi, Syrian and Lebanese and Egyptian dialects
Do you write to me from the Koran in which the words of love

 

[Smart_Guy]

I have not received any response from the member Useless2015
The dialogue here between you and me

I think that my words are not difficultWhat is the proof that the Quran believes in peace ???
Write us verses of the Koran, which calls for peace ??
with respect

You mean you have not received this:
http://www.religiousforums.com/thre...religion-of-peace.181021/page-10#post-4487601
?

Other answers were given to you too.

Please look around carefully.

I studied Islamic law
If you want to send you proof lectures on Islamic inheritance law
Well I I lived with Muslims
So I know the Koran in theory and practice
This verse, which speaks of a replicated
That is, it canceled
And I hope that you know the copyist and copied in Koran
It is not seeks a religion other than Islam will not accept it, a loser in the Hereafter
And also the famous interview with Mohammed
God commanded me to fight the people until they say to God but Allah -
وهذا الحديث اكتبه لك في اللغة العربية
أمرت ان اقاتل الناس حتى يقولوا لااله الا الله ومحمد عبده ورسوله فان قالوها عصموا دماؤهم مني

And Quran is in the Islamic law. This means you studied it wrong, and I get this conclusion after I gave you examples you turned out you didn't know about.

And what was told to Muhammad personally and directly, stays with Muhammad in his time in the settings he lived in. Settings now are different and dealt with differently. Just for your information, that hadeeth is against those who fight you not peaceful people. Otherwise Saudi Arabia would wage wars on the entire world and eradicate all non Muslims here. You don't understand the hadeeth, I'm afraid.

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

You mean you have not received this:
http://www.religiousforums.com/thre...religion-of-peace.181021/page-10#post-4487601

Send Kobe from answering Please with thanks

And Quran is in the Islamic law. This means you studied it wrong, and I get this conclusion after I gave you examples you turned out you didn't know about.

And what was told to Muhammad personally and directly, stays with Muhammad in his time in the settings he lived in. Settings now are different and dealt with differently. Just for your information, that hadeeth is against those who fight you not peaceful people. Otherwise Saudi Arabia would wage wars on the entire world and eradicate all non Muslims here. You don't understand the hadeeth, I'm afraid.

How to be my wrong ???
I had 53 students studying for granted me the same curricula and books
But Muslims believe them
Are these also the mis
But I studied and I do not believe it
This is the difference between me and them

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

to--Smart_Guy said

It opened a new topic about the meaning of the Quranic verses Cancel
I hope that he shares my done for scientific and very important topic
And be a dialogue between us and build a meaningful dialogue

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

And what was told to Muhammad personally and directly, stays with Muhammad in his time in the settings he lived in

Mohammed wrote the words of Muslims
Do you want to cancel the words of Mohammed, my friend ???
Since thousand four hundred years Taatnagulwn this speech
Why do you want to cancel the words of Mohammed ???

 

[Smart_Guy]

Send Kobe from answering Please with thanks

I swear to God I can't understand what you are saying.

How to be my wrong ???
I had 53 students studying for granted me the same curricula and books
But Muslims believe them
Are these also the mis
But I studied and I do not believe it
This is the difference between me and them

Same goes for the 1.5 billion Muslims world wide. At least millions of them studied Islam.

Mohammed wrote the words of Muslims
Do you want to cancel the words of Mohammed, my friend ???
Since thousand four hundred years Taatnagulwn this speech
Why do you want to cancel the words of Mohammed ???

No, I don't. I meant the meaning what what's implied. Words are seen as they are. The meaning is what one gets. Words are also connected to context. They don't stand on their own.

 

[DawudTalut]

Arabic
Iraqi, Syrian and Lebanese and Egyptian dialects

Peace be on you.
Good to hear.

Do you write to me from the Koran in which the words of love

Yes.
But first let me be a little bit surprised that why you have not seen these verses so far in your long journey of getting knowledge and learning all dialects and many things....................................................................................................................................................................................

Ok after ending my surprise, lets come to matter at hand:

For love, Holy Quran has used words
= raghbah (رغبة),
= uns (انس),
= wud (ود),
= mohabbah (محبة),
= khullah (خلة).

1- Raghbah - implies the vast desire to meet other. What does other thinks is not known.

2- Uns - implies that the desired-one is obtained and perturbation of heart is gone and there is no fright of heart.One wants other and other acknowledges and has turned face towards the first.

3- Wud - implies very much love, which binds the one who loves and the beloved together. [Wud is a love which binds the adorer and beloved.]

First two words are not used for God because when God desires love, it fulfills.
Wud is used for God,

[19:97] Those who believe and do good deeds — the Gracious God will create love in their hearts.

Please see note # 2234

https://www.alislam.org/quran/tafseer/?page=1612&region=E1&CR=EN,E2&CR=EN,E2

There are various possibilities here.

i- the Gracious will create wud for them. i.e Gracious God will create passions (goodwill, kindness etc) for humanity in their heart.

ii- the Gracious will create wud for them. i.e Gracious God will create His love in their hearts.

iii- the Gracious will create wud for them.i.e. Gracious God will create love for them in His heart.

iv- the Gracious will create wud for them. i.e. Gracious God will create love in the hearts of people for them.

[11:91] ‘And seek forgiveness of your Lord; then turn to Him whole heartedly. Verily, my Lord is Merciful, Most Loving.’

.....inna rabbi rahimun wadood..... i.e........Verily, my Lord is Merciful, Most Loving.......

4- Hub- is stronger than other words and it implies that they entered in each other's heart in perfect love. It also means the fruitful relation. The words appears in (5:55)

[5:55] O ye who believe! whoso among you turns back from his religion, then let it be known that in his stead Allah will soon bring a people whom He will love and who will love Him, and who will be kind and humble towards believers, hard and firm against disbelievers. They will strive in the cause of Allah and will not fear the reproach of a faultfinder. That is Allah’s grace; He bestows it upon whomsoever He pleases; and Allah is Bountiful, All- Knowing.

.....yohibbohum wa yohibbunahu.......He will love them and they will love Him..............

5- Kullah- is even more stronger for love. It implies a hole, distance and a love where there is no distance. Khullah is such a love which enters in each pore of body (not only in heart) and spreads; it overtakes body, soul, heart and mind; it does not come from outside like hub; it is natural.

[4:126] And who is better in faith than he who submits himself to Allah, and he is a doer of good, and follows the religion of Abraham, the upright? And Allah took Abraham for a special friend.

.....akhaz allalho ibrahima khalila. i.e. Ibrahim was made khalil by Allah.


In short, love between Allah and human is described in Holy Quran and ahadith as raghbah, uns, wud, mohabbah, khullah.

First two are used for low grade love which can be from human to Allah, not from Allah to human.

Other three are used for two-way love between Allah and human.

Love of human for Allah progresses from raghbah to uns, and fuses into wud. Then at khullah, both loves (of Allah and human) meet.

So friend! Are you still against True Teaching of Islam -- The True Love and Peace!

Peace be on you.

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References;
== various meanings of love taken from the Address [Ta'alluq Billah] by Hazrat Khalifatul Messiah II (Musleh Maud - The Promised son of Promised Messiah a.s.)
== images
alislam.org

 

[columbus]

No, i think there're many reasons to believe but it depends if someone wants to believe or to disbelieve

But I am not able to believe. And Allah both knows this and also why.
The simplest explanation for this is, "There is little evidence for a sapient God, but there is a giant mountain of evidence for humans making things up and believing them when it suits them. As a result, I am convinced that humans claiming to know what God is like or wants are making it up.
They are trying to reduce the biggest thing in the universe to something small enough to fit the human mind. I am not able to believe in human intelligence that much.

Yes thats why i said we're free to worship him or not, but i think believing in God while refusing to follow him
is kind of dumbness.

So, I try to follow what they have in common. And use my mind to improve on it. That does not include stories about angels or prohibitions on eating pork.
Tom

 

[icehorse]

Well most Muslim countries are ruled by Israeli-American puppets. I guess if that will change, i would like to live in Morocco.

That's a pretty sweeping claim. Care to provide some evidence for that?