Ancient Civilizations

[sooda]

NO! you are attempting to use words to hide the fact that the large pyramids came first and required hundreds of times more work than the tiny little pyramids that are now piles of rubble.



Yes! And these have never been subjected to scientific analysis by Egyptology. Egyptology calls itself a science and then votes on reality without ever performing the most basic testing of the artefacts.

Egyptology, the study of pharaonic Egypt, spanning the period c. 4500 bce to ce 641. Egyptology began when the scholars accompanying Napoleon Bonaparte’s invasion of Egypt (1798–1801) published Description de l’Égypte (1809–28), which made large quantities of source material about ancient Egypt available to Europeans.

Egyptology | study of pharaonic Egypt

 

[cladking]

Egyptology, the study of pharaonic Egypt, spanning the period c. 4500 bce to ce 641. Egyptology began when the scholars accompanying Napoleon Bonaparte’s invasion of Egypt (1798–1801) published Description de l’Égypte (1809–28), which made large quantities of source material about ancient Egypt available to Europeans.

These are mere words just like all definitions.

You can define the earth as flat if you want but it makes reality very difficult to see or study. "Scholars in Egypt" is hardly the same thing as "Egyptologist" in the real world. Egyptologists are chiefly linguists but they also are supposed to use science to help and to direct their efforts. Petrie invented the stratigraphic study of archaeology which is still almost the only tool in the Eguyptological toolbox since they eschew other kinds of science and scientists.

Ancient Egypt existed long before 4500 BC and people have lived here or passed through for at least 40,000 years. To actually understand Giza or Egypt it is necessary to understand geology which is relevant to at least 80,000,000 years ago. Indeed, to understand the pyramids requires a great deal more than just knowing the word "ramp" is unattested and that there were no words for "belief". It requires some understanding of EVERYTHING the ancient civilization knew. It requires an understanding of engineering and architecture and a nodding acquaintanceship with physics and chemistry. Without this there appears to be a continuity in the civilization which doesn't exist. Without this Egyptologists refer to a 3000 year civilization that not only doesn't exist but dates far further back than they believe.

Egyptology is wrong and they became wrong by turning their backs on science, poor methodology, circular reasoning, and poor definitions which hide reality. All pointed structures are not "pyramids". No tiny little pile of rubble can ever be or ever was a "pyramid".

 

[cladking]

Egyptology, the study of pharaonic Egypt, spanning the period c. 4500 bce to ce 641. Egyptology began when the scholars accompanying Napoleon Bonaparte’s invasion of Egypt (1798–1801) published Description de l’Égypte (1809–28), which made large quantities of source material about ancient Egypt available to Europeans.

Reality is not determined by vote. Press releases and suppression of data are determined by vote in the field of Egyptology. Not reality.

Reality has marched forward for a very long time even before wiki dreamed up a definition for "Egyptology". It will continue until long after the pyramids have crumbled to dust just like the tiny piles of rubble.

 

[sooda]

These are mere words just like all definitions.

You can define the earth as flat if you want but it makes reality very difficult to see or study. "Scholars in Egypt" is hardly the same thing as "Egyptologist" in the real world. Egyptologists are chiefly linguists but they also are supposed to use science to help and to direct their efforts. Petrie invented the stratigraphic study of archaeology which is still almost the only tool in the Eguyptological toolbox since they eschew other kinds of science and scientists.

Ancient Egypt existed long before 4500 BC and people have lived here or passed through for at least 40,000 years. To actually understand Giza or Egypt it is necessary to understand geology which is relevant to at least 80,000,000 years ago. Indeed, to understand the pyramids requires a great deal more than just knowing the word "ramp" is unattested and that there were no words for "belief". It requires some understanding of EVERYTHING the ancient civilization knew. It requires an understanding of engineering and architecture and a nodding acquaintanceship with physics and chemistry. Without this there appears to be a continuity in the civilization which doesn't exist. Without this Egyptologists refer to a 3000 year civilization that not only doesn't exist but dates far further back than they believe.

Egyptology is wrong and they became wrong by turning their backs on science, poor methodology, circular reasoning, and poor definitions which hide reality. All pointed structures are not "pyramids". No tiny little pile of rubble can ever be or ever was a "pyramid".

Right .. There are stories and myths about the Anu.

Graduate | Egyptology and Assyriology
www.brown.edu › Egyptology and Assyriology
Graduate. We offer in-depth disciplinary training that allows our students to pursue focused research in any one of our core fields: Assyriology, Egyptology, the history of ancient science, and the archaeology of Egypt and the Near East. We encourage creative interdisciplinary work, including but not limited to research that bridges Egyptology,...

 

[cladking]

Right .. There are stories and myths about the Anu.

Graduate | Egyptology and Assyriology
www.brown.edu › Egyptology and Assyriology
Graduate. We offer in-depth disciplinary training that allows our students to pursue focused research in any one of our core fields: Assyriology, Egyptology, the history of ancient science, and the archaeology of Egypt and the Near East. We encourage creative interdisciplinary work, including but not limited to research that bridges Egyptology,...

You couldn't miss my point more with a horse hitched in front of the cart;

We encourage creative interdisciplinary work, including but not limited to research that bridges Egyptology, Assyriology, and the history of ancient science in innovative ways.

Egyptologists need SCIENCE not more linguistics and history. They couldn't see "ancient science" if it bit them on the nose because they have so little understanding of modern science.

 

[sooda]

You couldn't miss my point more with a horse hitched in front of the cart;

Egyptologists need SCIENCE not more linguistics and history. They couldn't see "ancient science" if it bit them on the nose because they have so little understanding of modern science.

What are your credentials?

 

[cladking]

What are your credentials?

Did I mention reality isn't determined by vote? Well, in any case, it's not determined by credentials either.

Reality is determined by reason and logic; the study of anomalies. Most of these anomalies rather than being studied are just being pronounced "mysteries' and it's gotten to the point that EVERYTHING about ancient Egypt is a mystery because Egyptology REFUSES TO STUDY THEM. My credentials are my arguments because nothing more is needed. When Egyptology can address the facts and logic that compose my argument then they'll probably know that there is a discontinuity in Egyptian and world history at 2000 BC caused by an event we know only as the "tower of babel" where Homo Sapiens became extinct and were replaced by a unique species of stumble footed bumpkins who believe they are intelligent and exist because they think.

 

[sooda]

Did I mention reality isn't determined by vote? Well, in any case, it's not determined by credentials either.

Reality is determined by reason and logic; the study of anomalies. Most of these anomalies rather than being studied are just being pronounced "mysteries' and it's gotten to the point that EVERYTHING about ancient Egypt is a mystery because Egyptology REFUSES TO STUDY THEM. My credentials are my arguments because nothing more is needed.

When Egyptology can address the facts and logic that compose my argument then they'll probably know that there is a discontinuity in Egyptian and world history at 2000 BC caused by an event we know only as the "tower of babel" where Homo Sapiens became extinct and were replaced by a unique species of stumble footed bumpkins who believe they are intelligent and exist because they think.

Have you spent much time in Egypt?

The Tower of Babel story is about the collapse of a civilization and its literacy.

 

[sooda]

Did I mention reality isn't determined by vote? Well, in any case, it's not determined by credentials either.

Reality is determined by reason and logic; the study of anomalies. Most of these anomalies rather than being studied are just being pronounced "mysteries' and it's gotten to the point that EVERYTHING about ancient Egypt is a mystery because Egyptology REFUSES TO STUDY THEM. My credentials are my arguments because nothing more is needed. When Egyptology can address the facts and logic that compose my argument then they'll probably know that there is a discontinuity in Egyptian and world history at 2000 BC caused by an event we know only as the "tower of babel" where Homo Sapiens became extinct and were replaced by a unique species of stumble footed bumpkins who believe they are intelligent and exist because they think.

What does this mean?

then they'll probably know that there is a discontinuity in Egyptian and world history at 2000 BC caused by an event we know only as the "tower of babel" where Homo Sapiens became extinct and were replaced by a unique species of stumble footed bumpkins who believe they are intelligent and exist because they think.

 

[cladking]

What does this mean?

If and when Egyptology actually applies modern science and knowledge to the study of the pyramids and their builders we'll learn that ancient civilization was founded on a natural, binary, metaphysical language that allows all animals to adapt to their niche and thrive. Human language was so complex due to a mutation that tied the speech center to higher brain functions it allowed for generational accumulation of knowledge. This language became so complex by 3200 BC that many individuals couldn't master it and a pidgin form of Ancient Language arose and caused the invention of writing to prevent drift of meaning. By 2000 BC Ancient Language became so complex that there were too few individuals to operate the state. This forced them to issue a decree (associated with the tower of babel?) that changed the official language of state ("worldwide") to modern language (pidgin language).

This constitutes a change in species because a new speech center has to be modeled in every individual to translate between the new analog thinking and the existing digital speech center.

It doesn't matter that this sounds speculative and absurd because it explains all human knowledge and ancient history. It is backed by extensive logic and physical evidence. If Egyptology would actually do science it would, I believe, be proven in short order. Or, at least, it would be proven the pyramids were built with linear funiculars and their builders said so in a language that can't be translated into English.

 

[sooda]

If and when Egyptology actually applies modern science and knowledge to the study of the pyramids and their builders we'll learn that ancient civilization was founded on a natural, binary, metaphysical language that allows all animals to adapt to their niche and thrive. Human language was so complex due to a mutation that tied the speech center to higher brain functions it allowed for generational accumulation of knowledge. This language became so complex by 3200 BC that many individuals couldn't master it and a pidgin form of Ancient Language arose and caused the invention of writing to prevent drift of meaning. By 2000 BC Ancient Language became so complex that there were too few individuals to operate the state. This forced them to issue a decree (associated with the tower of babel?) that changed the official language of state ("worldwide") to modern language (pidgin language).

This constitutes a change in species because a new speech center has to be modeled in every individual to translate between the new analog thinking and the existing digital speech center.

It doesn't matter that this sounds speculative and absurd because it explains all human knowledge and ancient history. It is backed by extensive logic and physical evidence. If Egyptology would actually do science it would, I believe, be proven in short order. Or, at least, it would be proven the pyramids were built with linear funiculars and their builders said so in a language that can't be translated into English.

By 2000 BC the people at Ras Shamra were writing in 4 languages. What on earth are you talking about?

3500 BC would put the Tower or Babel ahead of Noah's Flood.

You do know they built watchtowers all over the ME.. Surely you have seen them??

 

[cladking]

By 2000 BC the people at Ras Shamra were writing in 4 languages. What on earth are you talking about?

Ancient Language was spoken in many dialects that were, for the main part, mutually intelligible.

Language fractured in a million different directions as the pidgin forms of it arose. Each different version of pidgin language was distinct from others and dialects of each one formed. Even today we pretend there is only one form of English but the reality is I can't communicate here any better than others are. There are for most practical purposes about 7 billion different languages as proven by the fact that every individual on the planet will take a different meaning from this sentence no matter how many times it is translated.

Ancient Language was different and only one meaning existed for each sentence. If you didn't take that meaning the words just didn't fit together so you knew you didn't understand.

Ancient Language can't be translated into English any more than Whale, Beaver, or Chimpanzee. The first pidgin languages were already splitting by the Tower of Babel.

3500 BC would put the Tower or Babel ahead of Noah's Flood.

I doubt there was a "noah's flood". More accurately I believe this story is a confusion of reality. I could tell you what the reality probably was but you'll not believe me anyway.

You do know they built watchtowers all over the ME.. Surely you have seen them??

The "Tower of Babel" may have nothing to do with an actual tower or other structure. It is a confusion of reality. Perhaps the scholars sitting in their ivory towers issued a decree that ended Ancient Language.

AS WITH ALL THING I DON'T KNOW. It is far above my pay grade to know anything at all. I am merely telling you what reality has to be to explain the meaning in the Pyramid Texts and solve most of the mysteries of human existence. The simplest explanation is humans turned into Homo Omnisciencis at an event that we call the tower of babel. It doesn't mean there was a tower or an invasion of heaven. I don't even know whether or not heaven exists much less if a tower might reach it. I have only reason and evidence with which to work and this is what they say; humans used to be animals and now we're stinky footed bumpkins.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

I personally don't have any problem with the results but then it wasn't my ox getting gored. The results fit my theory pretty well but I believe that's chiefly because my theory was built around the physical evidence and logic. This evidence existed long before it was incorporated in my theory. It dovetails well with the idea of 40,000 years of science.

In Egyptology's defense there are an inordinate number of samples that just want to get tossed out. I have a possible explanation for these (old forest) but there's no evidence and only a little logic other than the samples themselves which makes me hesitant to adopt the hypothesis. I just try to accept the results at face value and remember there are numerous outliers for no known reason.

40,000 years of science?

 

[sooda]

40,000 years of science?

There are legends of petrified trees and ancient forests in Egypt.

Forests in Ancient Egypt

 

[sooda]

At the end of the last Ice Age, the Sahara Desert was just as dry and uninviting as it is today. But sandwiched between two periods of extreme dryness were a few millennia of plentiful rainfall and lush vegetation.

During these few thousand years, prehistoric humans left the congested Nile Valley and established settlements around rain pools, green valleys, and rivers.​

When the rains came

Some 12,000 years ago, the only place to live along the eastern Sahara Desert was the Nile Valley. Being so crowded, prime real estate in the Nile Valley was difficult to come by. Disputes over land were often settled with the fist, as evidenced by the cemetery of Jebel Sahaba where many of the buried individuals had died a violent death.

But around 10,500 years ago, a sudden burst of monsoon rains over the vast desert transformed the region into habitable land.

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Sahara Desert Was Once Lush and Populated

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[Dan From Smithville]

There are legends of petrified trees and ancient forests in Egypt.

Forests in Ancient Egypt

I once thought of starting a petrified tree plantation, but no matter how many rocks I planted, nothing grew.

I have been following what you post, but not this particular argument. Do you know if he or she is claiming that science has been around for 40,000 years and, if so, is this going to be another tale of Atlantis or something equally wild?

Thank you for the link. I find your posts most enlightening and your links very interesting.

 

[sooda]

I once thought of starting a petrified tree plantation, but no matter how many rocks I planted, nothing grew.

I have been following what you post, but not this particular argument. Do you know if he or she is claiming that science has been around for 40,000 years and, if so, is this going to be another tale of Atlantis or something equally wild?

Thank you for the link. I find your posts most enlightening and your links very interesting.

Very strange and cryptic with special knowledge....

 

[Dan From Smithville]

There are legends of petrified trees and ancient forests in Egypt.

Forests in Ancient Egypt

I take it the sycamore tree referenced on the link is not the same species that I grew up with. Here in Missouri, and in eastern North America, we have the American sycamore, Platanus occidentalis L., that is a deciduous tree, common to bottom land forests. It is one of my favorite trees and in a less than scientific description, I think of it as the 'skeleton of the forest' due to the patchy white of its bark.

 

[Dan From Smithville]

Very strange and cryptic with special knowledge....

Upon further reading of some of the posts, it seems so

 

[sooda]

I take it the sycamore tree referenced on the link is not the same species that I grew up with. Here in Missouri, and in eastern North America, we have the American sycamore, Platanus occidentalis L., that is a deciduous tree, common to bottom land forests. It is one of my favorite trees and in a less than scientific description, I think of it as the 'skeleton of the forest' due to the patchy white of its bark.

Does it have fruit?