And Muslims don't integrate ?

[YmirGF]

I think it depends on the place, where the migrants have come from and their particular situation. Many Muslims do integrate and many refuse to. There are areas in my country where it's almost dangerous to go if you are not a Muslim. But on the other hand I have Muslim friends who are very well integrated.

People say that Muslims don't integrate because a high proportion don't, compared with other cultures. However, they aren't the only ones that don't. We also have, for example, a lot of Chinese people who don't integrate.

Bingo. Like Jay said of his experience in Illinois, here in LotusLand, Muslims have probably integrated into the community better than other groups... but then again, we don't have a whole lot of them.

 

[Godobeyer]

So winning the ESC is a "high degree of top in community".

Lord have mercy on our souls.

USA =/= ROTW

You take the habit to **** on my threads

 

[YmirGF]

You take the habit to **** on my threads

I guess it just rubs me the wrong way, Godobeyer. I'm in Canada and no one here would ever suggest that Muslims are not integrating perfectly into the Canadian culture as that would reflect badly on us as being poor hosts. That said, with the latest waves of "Syrian" refugees going through Europe is not going well.

 

[sayak83]

Hello all I have this point to let you discuss with

Quote from this facebook link

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1115719075161267

David Cameron says Muslim women don't integrate. Trevor Philips says Muslims are becoming a nation within a nation

The facts tell a different story

what do you think ?

This is not informative. What one needs is statistics that measure integration in some coherent scale and compares the level of integration of various religious and ethnic minorities and see how the muslim immigrants are doing in terms of first and second generation integration and if there is any correlation between religiosity and the level of integration.

Facts, not pictures. Are there any?

 

[sayak83]

Hello all I have this point to let you discuss with

Quote from this facebook link

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1115719075161267

David Cameron says Muslim women don't integrate. Trevor Philips says Muslims are becoming a nation within a nation

The facts tell a different story

what do you think ?

Ok. Now for actual facts.
http://www.demos.co.uk/press-releas...eals-mixed-fortunes-of-britains-minorities-2/

Note the spectacular contrast between Indian immigrants and Pakistani and Bangladeshi immigrants to UK.

"It reveals that Britain’s Indian community is leading the way as a success story of integration and economic advancement – not only out-performing most other minority groups across a host of measures, but also the White British population. "

• 75.7 per cent of British Indian students in England obtain five or more ‘Good’ GCSE (including English and Maths), compared to 60.5 per cent of White British students, and 13.6 per cent of British Indian students obtain three A*-A grades or better, compared to 10 per cent of White British studentshttp://www.religiousforums.com/file...ents/Integration Hub Press Release.docx#_edn1
  [*]26 per cent of British Indian students in England go on to university at the top-third of Higher Education Institutes, compared to 15 per cent of White British students[ii]
  [*]British Indians are over-represented in the medical profession, accounting for 12 per cent of all doctors in the UK – while accounting for only 2.3 per cent of the population[iii]
  [*]The proportion of economically active British Indian women in Great Britain is continuing to grow steadily, increasing from 60 per cent in 1993 to 70 per cent in 2013[iv]
  [*]12 per cent of British Indians are in mixed ethnic partnerships, compared to seven per cent of British Pakistanis[v]
  [*]TBC – Indians live in most mixed parts of the country (ie. NW London)

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But lets contrast this with Pakistani and Bangladeshi communities that lag behind others the MOST in Britain in terms of integration.

This contrasts significantly with the British Pakistani and Bangladeshi communities, which are found to be significantly lagging behind other minority groups and the White British population on large numbers of key socio-economic measures. For example:

• Almost 60 per cent of British Pakistanis live in the top quartile of the most segregated areas in England
• The employment rate for British Pakistani and Bangladeshi people is 49 per cent, compared to 73 per cent for White British people[vi]
• 44 per cent of British Pakistanis youth in Great Britain are unemployed and out of education, compared to 17 per cent of White British youth[vii]
• British Pakistani women have some of the lowest economic participation rates in Great Britain, with 59 per cent economically inactive[viii]
• Only 6.4 per cent of British Pakistani and 5.5 per cent of British Bangladeshi students in England receive three A*-A grades or better: roughly half the number of White British and Indian students[ix]
• Both communities are over-represented in low-skilled and low-paying occupations: 25 per cent of Pakistani men are working as taxi-drivers, while around 50 per cent of Bangladeshi men work in restaurants[x]
• British Pakistanis have the lowest life expectancy in England, with men on average living to 78.7 years – compared to 81.4 years for White British men[xi]
• Transnational marriage is particularly common in the Pakistani community – around half of all Muslim Pakistanis in Britain married someone born in Pakistan[xii]

The reasons for this are complex and multifaceted, for example Eastern Europeans are even less well integrated than Muslim immigrants. Also while Muslims remain highly segregated and deprived, they do identify themselves as British rather than on the basis of their home country, unlike the Eastern Europeans. On the other hand, Muslim communities, even when affluent are likely to remain segregated while Eastern European communities merge with the mainstream more effectively.

http://www.integrationhub.net/module/index-of-integration/

These are the facts, more complex than either extreme wants to portray them as.

 

[blue taylor]

I guess this is integration.

 

[Godobeyer]

I guess this is integration.

I don't trust pictures because of photoshop

Some are not .
but for my opinion most are.

 

[Godobeyer]

I guess it just rubs me the wrong way, Godobeyer. I'm in Canada and no one here would ever suggest that Muslims are not integrating perfectly into the Canadian culture as that would reflect badly on us as being poor hosts. That said, with the latest waves of "Syrian" refugees going through Europe is not going well.

Refugees is humanity criss , Europe and West had big responsibility on fire it up, by supporting rebels(terrorists) for 5 years.

I know the Syrians from their movies and series, they are the most open mind Muslims in ME,

I think the best solution is return them to Syria when peace establish there, if they can't integrate.

 

[blue taylor]

Can I ask your opinion of Ahmadi Muslims? I have only read what wiki has on it's site, but as the fastest growing sect in Islam, I find it fascinating.

 

[YmirGF]

Refugees is humanity criss , Europe and West had big responsibility on fire it up, by supporting rebels(terrorists) for 5 years.

I know the Syrians from their movies and series, they are the most open mind Muslims in ME,

I think the best solution is return them to Syria when peace establish there, if they can't integrate.

It's a rare thing, but on this point, we are in 100% agreement.

 

[Windwalker]

What I do not get is why it is felt necessary to dismiss those who are trying to see Muslims as making good strides to integrate into modern cultures? On the surface to poo-poo whatever views which uphold integration as an ideal, views which attempt to offer role models exemplifying it, which in and of itself shows clearly a direction and desire for integration, to say it's all a bunch of BS instead is betraying the ones who themselves are the ones who do not desire integration. In other words, it's not about the Muslims, it's about the conservatives who hate foreigners and try to make them into the enemy. Otherwise, why not embrace and welcome those who promote role-models of integration, rather than saying it's worthless? That's the only thing that makes sense to me here. The ones refusing integration are the ones complaining about Muslims.

 

[Flankerl]

You take the habit to **** on my threads

Hey its not my fault that you claimed that about winning the ESC.

 

[Sunstone]

Historically speaking, it has taken most immigrant groups to the US two to three generations to fully integrate into American society. Some groups though, such as the Germans, have taken a generation or two longer.

 

[Godobeyer]

Can I ask your opinion of Ahmadi Muslims? I have only read what wiki has on it's site, but as the fastest growing sect in Islam, I find it fascinating.

They are Muslims

 

[Godobeyer]

Hey its not my fault that you claimed that about winning the ESC.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...by-daughter-leaving-legacy-family-trauma.html

 

[FearGod]

I guess this is integration.

They still do exist in Europe.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

They still do exist in Europe.

Becoming a nun is entirely voluntary. In fact prospective women have to go through a rigorous selection process designed to weed out those who aren't committed to it. Undoubtedly, yes, there are Muslim women who veil voluntarily but the vast majority of Muslim women in the world are forced to either by social pressures, the law or both (since most Muslim women live in Muslim countries where veiling is mandatory.

 

[Godobeyer]

Becoming a nun is entirely voluntary. In fact prospective women have to go through a rigorous selection process designed to weed out those who aren't committed to it. Undoubtedly, yes, there are Muslim women who veil voluntarily but the vast majority of Muslim women in the world are forced to either by social pressures, the law or both (since most Muslim women live in Muslim countries where veiling is mandatory.

Even a Jewish sect,their women covered their hair.

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I like this one

 

[FearGod]

Becoming a nun is entirely voluntary. In fact prospective women have to go through a rigorous selection process designed to weed out those who aren't committed to it. Undoubtedly, yes, there are Muslim women who veil voluntarily but the vast majority of Muslim women in the world are forced to either by social pressures, the law or both (since most Muslim women live in Muslim countries where veiling is mandatory.

Actually the Niqab is voluntary and not mandatory but Hijab is mandatory in 2 Muslim countries but in Syria(the refugees) and other Islamic countries it's voluntary.

But why wearing one specific dress is a big issue, let women be free whether wearing hijab or bikini.

 

[Flankerl]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...by-daughter-leaving-legacy-family-trauma.html

- quoting the Daily Mail
- apparently still not understanding what was wrong with what you wrote

Next link better not be a Sun article.

Even a Jewish sect,their women covered their hair.

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I like this one

Yeah they are seen as freaks, your point?