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Angelogical/Demonological Fallacies
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Ody
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Sasa said:Yes that's true Snowbear, but don't forget he's got millions upon millions of fallen angel followers who do his bidding as well. They're all working together in an attempt to win the War and gain the right to live out from under God's Sovereign Laws.
G-d is too mighty to be defeated by numbers...
Sasa
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Âlãn said:
Well, I can tell you that this war has been going on for 6,000 years and His Holy Angels are doing everything within their power to see that prophecy comes into fruition, just as Satan's angels are doing everything within their power to see that it doesn't. I simply do my part in the War by spreading truth and I pray every night that we are victorious.
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Sasa said:
And here I was thinking that the Christian god was all-powerful.
If he were as mighty as everyone makes him out to be then why would there even be a conflict? Why wouldnt he just will the dissenting angels out of existence?
By even acknowledging some holy war in heaven then you are implying that god could loose said war, thereby making capable of failure, therefore making him imperfect, therefore not God.
Way to go contradictions!!!
There is no 100% proof positive it was him. But he had good reason to believe so.kai said:
The feeling of that overcame him during the encounter. No horns, no fire or brimstone, no pitchfork. He thought it was an angel at first. But then a feeling came over him. He described it as every negetive/evil thing you could imagine entering you. He had never been more frightened of anything in his life. All characteristics of Satan. It's only natural for him to assume it was him.
You bring up some good points. Points that I often think about.Rejected said:And here I was thinking that the Christian god was all-powerful.
If he were as mighty as everyone makes him out to be then why would there even be a conflict? Why wouldnt he just will the dissenting angels out of existence?
By even acknowledging some holy war in heaven then you are implying that god could loose said war, thereby making capable of failure, therefore making him imperfect, therefore not God.
Way to go contradictions!!!
The concept that God is capable of losing the "war" (which I think is an inappropiate title) is not biblical by any means. It's more like "who can get more players on their team"
Sasa
Member
Rejected said:And here I was thinking that the Christian god was all-powerful.
If he were as mighty as everyone makes him out to be then why would there even be a conflict? Why wouldnt he just will the dissenting angels out of existence?
By even acknowledging some holy war in heaven then you are implying that god could loose said war, thereby making capable of failure, therefore making him imperfect, therefore not God.
Way to go contradictions!!!
In order to understand the Spiritual War, you need to understand first that God is a man of his word. While he COULD annihalate everything in existance, He's giving Satan a chance to win at this war. We humans are mere pawns in a giant spiritual chess game. God will not wipe out Satan and his demons and all of the evil people in this world until His profaned name has been sanctified before all those in creation. Rather than destroy Satan and his demons all at once, God has permitted time to settle for eternity, the issues Satan raised, and to magnify His own name and power:
What should we say then? Is there injustice with God? Absolutely not! For He tells Moses: I will show mercy to whom I show mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion. So then it does not depend on human will or effort, but on God who shows mercy. For the Scripture tells Pharaoh: For this reason I raised you up: so that I may display My power in you, and that My name may be proclaimed in all the earth. So then, He shows mercy to whom He wills, and He hardens whom He wills. You will say to me, therefore, "Why then does He still find fault? For who can resist His will?" But who are you anyone who talks back to God? Will what is formed say to the one who formed it, "Why did you make me like this?" Romans 9:14-20 (HCSB)
"I will display My greatness and holiness, and will reveal Myself in the sight of many nations. Then they will know that I am the Lord." Ezekiel 38:2 (HCSB)
In essence, it is all about vindication of God's name. It will be a settlement of the Profaning His name, and a warning to those that survive into the Kingdom, that God and His Son Christ will not tolerate evil in the future.
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Mister_T said:
Ok.
1) Satan is a renegade angel.
Is he trying to turn people away from god out of Spite? What are the motives here for both sides? What happens if Satan gets a higher score at the end of the game? Does God just want more people to make it into heaven to adore a glorify him? If God needs humans to praise him and keep him company then he would not be perfect, for a perfect being would need nothing.
2) Satan is a servant of god acting to "test" the faithful. (In law enforcement this is called entrapment.)
This implies that God does not love everyone but is selective in whom he lets into heaven, kind of like a six year old trying to decide who to invite to a birthday party.