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Angering people

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
Indeed, Poeticus, I am aware of that. The socialism here in Canada isn't the same. The problem, as I see it, is that these political (and other) words often mean substantially different things from one place to another, and from person to person. First there is just the term itself, often referring to a philosophy not a political agenda. The means of arriving at that philosophy can be soft, or harsh.

This article, I believe outlines the complexity. Social democracy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 

ShivaFan

Satyameva Jayate
Premium Member
Vinayaka, you must be imagining things if you think folks hate you in the HinduIsm DIR. Is someone who is not a Hindu but has some bent agenda trying to convince you of this? Don't be so "paranoid", the Hinduism DIR is about Hinduism and of course only those sort passionate about it really get into this forum thing, and considering the diversity in Hinduism it is going to turn into a "food fight" but never a "knife fight". It is sort of like the Calcutta Pandals, each neighborhood starts competing against the other block over who can have the "best" Pandal, money gets flowing in and passions rise as if "big is better" or small but "gold leafed" or the loudest drums, moving anatomitones, best Murti, best Murti with the most vicious Lion biting the demon's head, "our deity has more blood in the scene than YOURS, we win!" - "oh no, not the best because our Pandal looks like a giant camel so we win!"

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Next thing you know, you got "money collectors" knocking on your door, "You MUST give 16,000 rupees to the Pandal SO WE CAN DEFEAT COOCH BAZAR!", then try to go to the Pig Market for okra and see what happens when you only gave 200 rupees - good luck.

(actually I am working today, but it is time for my nap at the park about three blocks from the office, so don't tell my "boss")
 

Kalibhakta

Jai Maha Kali Ma!
Forgive me Vinayaka. I did not mean offense. I merely meant if that we differ politically, it doesn't matter because God and Truth are more important.
 

ShivaFan

Satyameva Jayate
Premium Member
This thread is sort of getting off topic from Hinduism DIR. If the main subject is socialism as the moniker, it really should be in the Socialist DIR. Socialism isn't a Hindu sampradaya or sect etc.. It probably is a religion with a cult following, but it is not a school of Hinduism. It would be odd to start going on and on about the best stocks to buy in the Hinduism DIR, even if Hindus traded horses and cows in ancient India. That would belong in Capitalism DIR.

Honestly, I do not think anyone is being "hated" in the Hinduism DIR and firing bazookas - it just isn't - and any such "anger" is over emotional imaginations. In one way, this claim is sort of like a form of anger in itself without merit.

Being a Hindu is like the Mother with 12 hands -12 holding all sorts of accessory because She has all sorts of children and the kids get a lot of love but it is a lot of kids nevertheless and, no, the brother doesn't hate his sister when he cuts off all the hair of her toy doll, and honestly some of the kids are going to have their fun.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
SF, I viewed it as a problem. That's why I started the thread. If you don't see it as a problem, that's fine, but please don't respond telling me it's not a problem. I wouldn't have started the thread if it was nothing. The 'socialism' statement and short discussion was just an example of how certain words are triggers.

I'm sorry to have disturbed you by starting this thread. But this is the exact kind of thing I'm talking about, just not as extreme.
 
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ShivaFan

Satyameva Jayate
Premium Member
Vinayaka, there is no logical connection to my post over a year ago about throwing bangles over my enrolling my daughter in summer classes (throwing the bangles when she objected wasn't the way to go but thank God I got her enrolled as with her outstanding SAT, AP scores she was just admitted into the University of California Santa Barbara) - and this idea in this thread that you think you are angering people on the Hindu DIR where you feel it is World War Cosmic or something.

It is in your mind, this is my frank observation, you are being overly sensitive, in Hinduism with it's diversity you are going to have a lot of (frankly interesting) give and take. Some are atheist, some eat meat, some think the form of Nataraj dancing is only symbolism, others think in fact Shiva takes Form and there are 330 million Devatas (I think that), and there are some as I who believe in many Devatas and Devi but the "end game" is the EXPERIENCE of Hinduism and that is Moksha when this experience is permanent rather than frames in a movie reel interspaced with dividers... there are all sorts of Hindus, of very ancient lineage. Most are very excited and in discovery mode, it really is an adventure and actually they are not focused on some imagined anger against one person most never even met. I don't think there is a single member here who is angry with you, you are going to hear from Hindus who are not on the same page as you and it is ok for them to be so, it doesn't mean "anger" at you.

That aside, I am not voting for you if you run for office in Canada if and when I retire in B.C..
 

Kirran

Premium Member
I think that a lot of what @Vinayaka was referring to occurred outside the Hinduism DIR. I hope you'll correct me if I'm wrong, Vinayaka.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
It's all good, Kirran. I thank those who offered up some decent and practical advice. I will be applying some of it.
 

ratikala

Istha gosthi
namaskaram Vinayaka ji

I have a dilemma, and would like some insight, fellow Hindus.

I've come to this realisation (actually for a long time now) that I sometimes anger people on the forum. It FEELS like bad karma. It seems adharmic to do that, whether intentional or not. In real life, it's easier, because you do get to know which buttons not too push. Here it's not so easy.

I am sure we all anger each other at times , .....but the important thing is not to take the differences personaly most of times it is down to different veiw points due to sect , .....so in some respect it is natural that we will acedentaly offend another simply by showing pride in our own tradition , ....

it depends what you mean by angering a person , ....there are two possibilities here, .... either one angers a person by speaking out unfairly against their tradition , ....Ok yes this is Bad Karma .....
or one speaks out against something which is in some way detrimental , ...which if done without malice or without personal oppinion , ... is nish karma ....it has no reaction , ...you are simply doing your duty , Ok the person may not like it but some truths are uncomfortable (only to the ego) and need to be said for the persons wellbeing and spiritual growth ....

some times I say things which I am sure will upset some people , (this is mostly on practical points) , ...When they ask direct questions , ..''can I do this ? can I do that ?'' ...simple answer NO ! .....what are we supposed to do ? lie ? ...or we can gently say ''well if you do this, .. that will happen'' then the choice is theirs , ...actualy it would be an offence for a senior to egnore a younger adept making mistakes and not try to correct them in some way , ...directly or gently . ...either way it is not easy but it needs to be done and as a senior one needs to do it with out any attatchment to whether one is liked or dissliked .

Often, to me, it feels like I am merely expressing a point of view. The other person disagrees, gets in a huff, and tells me off. Then I feel like I shouldn't have said or written anything at all. (Often I go delete all my posts even.) I don't feel like I (or anybody really) should be in the business of angering people.

If the question is , ...do we anger a person by telling the truth , or do we remain silent and let that person make a mistake,?..... in this instance then we need to find the best way possible in the situation of telling it as it should be , ... but we dont have to be attatched to the outcome , ....

If it is a question of angering another by giving ones own opinion just for the sake of having an opinion ??? ...then we all need to double check where that oppinion is coming from .
please rest assured you are not the oly one with oppinions ;)


Here are a couple of examples ... mentioning that not all sects believe something and having a person of a different sect take offense ..

Heee Heee , .... I am sure you have done this to me on occasions , ......to which I might mildly go ...Grrrrr ....''Talk about stating the obvious !!! ''. ...but what might be obvious to me might not be obvious to another so It may well be usefull to someone else reading a post , ...so realy it dosent matter so much .

... mentioning syncretism isn't that wide in Hinduism,

I must admit this whole idea of syncretism was an un known to me untill I got here , ....where there seems to be an obsession with labeling ones beleifs , ...and labeling others ! ....to me this is not so healthy , ....people have to go through stages of beleif and exploration untill they find their true home , may be you and I are lucky in that it found us and we recognised it , .....I do find that many people here who are of a firm faith and belong to a fixed tradition do talk in what 'Sounds Like' a condecending tone to those they veiw as syncretic , ....may be it has to happen , ..it is a part of that persons way of finding their true place , ...may be not in this life and not even the next , but I think a tollerance is needed here from all not you in particular .

... mentioning socialism around capitalists

Had not noticed it , ...I stay out of political posts , ...talking religion is enough , ....;)

Should I just shut up already?

No , ...if things are bothering you its good to get them out , ....you might just realise that you are worring about something relitively un important , ...and thats not good (worrying)... :)

I'm sure everyone does it, and many might feel like I do on some days. But, in terms of sadhana, or in terms of self-reflection, what do you do about it? Cause I really don't like it.

dont worry so much, ..If you feel you have offended someone , .........just say sorry Prabhu , may be prabhu will even say dont worry it's nothing , ....in terms of sadhana , ...all we can all do is try to relax and understand anothers point of veiw , ...after all we are all conditioned souls , ....we still have veiws and opinions , ...and tolerance levels , ...etc , ..etc, ...

One thing I've done is put a couple of overly sensitive people on ignore. So then I can't see their reaction, or respond to one of their posts in a way that would make them angry.

make them angry ? ............or make you angry ?


I never put anybody on ignore. It wouldn't even occur to me. Because in real life, it doesn't really work that way.

Im with Shiva fan on this one , ...
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
I don't put people on ignore because they anger ME. I put them on ignore as a courtesy to THEM, so they don't anger themselves from something I say. So it's far less likely to say something to them if you can't respond. Pushing someone's buttons, especially purposefully, is adharmic.
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
What could I do, mods suggested it. But I have unignored them later. It helped me and them to cool down.
 
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ShivaFan

Satyameva Jayate
Premium Member
Well, if you believe that words written on a forum, among zillions of other words on a forum, are so powerful that they actually can effect and affect Karma, then you should consider their power must also be a "life of their own", so powerful they do not live in the "a"s and "b"s and zeez of the type but beyond that and thus can impact you or you impacting yourself even if you didn't read them. And ignoring doesn't even logically "help the other person" emotionally or otherwise, it is exclusively a selfish act, since the other is still seeing the shunner's words, but it is still worse if the shunner is imaging some "hate" that doesn't exist because now in the "ignore state" this imagined maya continues on in perpetuity and actually causes the person to have self-inflicted leprosy of the mind.

Overall, shunning is really a bad fate religion.

But let us say I ignored Ratikala - that would be crazy and I never would do this, she is beloved but I am using only the example... yes I DO believe the Gods are reading this forum, and Lord Krishna would get mad at me. Actually Krishna never gets mad at me, but He would if I did that because I ignored one of His pure Devotees which is the greatest offense being that Ratikala is a devotee, and Krishna considers His devotees to be most important of all! My God, I would have what I call "Instant Karma"! Why would I want that?

Ignore is not ignore, ignore is a drive by shooting, pulling the trigger of a gun, evil in itself.

Anyway - it doesn't work. Because the servants of Hinduism reach out beyond ignore, they have bullet proof vests, it is impossible. The jokes always bleed through.
 

ratikala

Istha gosthi
namaskaram Shiva Fan ji

Do not worry Krsna most certainly loves you , he loves all devotees , ....how can he get mad at you , ....he is coming round to your house as soon as he has taken Prasada here , he hears that your wife makes wonderfull ladus and he is allways hungry for our love, ...so he will demand many many ladus at your house , then he will demand you build him one very splendid cammel like this picture but on wheels like a rath cart so we will all pull him past poeticus's house , pick up Kalibhakta , Fireside and George Ananda, then we pick up Shantanu , Satyam eva , Aupmanyav and Kiran from Garuda Airline private devotee round up service , ...them we have to round up the Sri Vaisnavas , and I hope some of you can play madranga because we are going on kirtan walkabout up to Vinayaka ji's house for a big (all sects welcome) party I think He needs cheering up , ....so please send email to Vinayaka ji tell him to start making the Garlands we are on the way , ....and Shiv ji make that rath cart big like you I have quite a few deities to bring to keep every one happy , but Kalibakta you better bring Ma , ....no one is to be left out :)
 

Kalibhakta

Jai Maha Kali Ma!
Ratikala, have I ever told you how much I admire your cheerful upbeat attitude? That shows true Bhakti.

May I start a note conversation with you? I have a question for you.
 

ratikala

Istha gosthi
namaskaram Kalibhakta ji

Ratikala, have I ever told you how much I admire your cheerful upbeat attitude? That shows true Bhakti.

jai jai , it comes from spending so much time around Krsna , he can be naughty and cheeky one minute anfd very serious the next :p

May I start a note conversation with you? I have a question for you.

do you mean Private messsage conversation ? or thread ? ....which ever yes please do it is fine .

please I must also say that I love @ShivaFan and @Aupmanyav for their upbeat posts :)
 

Kirran

Premium Member
namaskaram Shiva Fan ji

Do not worry Krsna most certainly loves you , he loves all devotees , ....how can he get mad at you , ....he is coming round to your house as soon as he has taken Prasada here , he hears that your wife makes wonderfull ladus and he is allways hungry for our love, ...so he will demand many many ladus at your house , then he will demand you build him one very splendid cammel like this picture but on wheels like a rath cart so we will all pull him past poeticus's house , pick up Kalibhakta , Fireside and George Ananda, then we pick up Shantanu , Satyam eva , Aupmanyav and Kiran from Garuda Airline private devotee round up service , ...them we have to round up the Sri Vaisnavas , and I hope some of you can play madranga because we are going on kirtan walkabout up to Vinayaka ji's house for a big (all sects welcome) party I think He needs cheering up , ....so please send email to Vinayaka ji tell him to start making the Garlands we are on the way , ....and Shiv ji make that rath cart big like you I have quite a few deities to bring to keep every one happy , but Kalibakta you better bring Ma , ....no one is to be left out :)

This was a wonderful post! I will bring the dal :)
 

ratikala

Istha gosthi
This was a wonderful post! I will bring the dal :)

what now we are stoping for picnic too , ..well yes I supose it is a long way from Shiv ji's to Vinayaka ji's stoping for devotees on the way , ....OK I'll bring Barfi my husband makes wonderfull chapatis and we just bought lage suply of okra and karela , ....
 
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