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Animals sacrificed do not take the punishment or pay the price for sins

Niatero

*banned*
In my understanding of the Old Testament, when animals are sacrificed, it is not for them to take the punishment for people's sins or to pay a debt that they owe to God for their sins.
 

Niatero

*banned*
It's more like bringing flowers to your girlfriend with a written apology when you did something wrong/caused upset.

Maybe, if you really are sorry and you're doing it to try to repair the damage, and not just trying to get back on her good side.
 

Jayhawker Soule

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Premium Member
In my understanding of the Old Testament, when animals are sacrificed, it is not for them to take the punishment for people's sins or to pay a debt that they owe to God for their sins.
OK. Upon what is this understanding based and what did you hope to discuss.
 

Niatero

*banned*
OK. Upon what is this understanding based and what did you hope to discuss.

It's based on reading the Old Testament. Does it look to you like the purpose of the laws of sacrifice is for the animals to suffer in the place of their owners, or to cancel a debt that they owe to God for their sins?
 

Rival

se Dex me saut.
Staff member
Premium Member
I guess the way to buy God's favor is to provide the temple priests with a dinner. Can't imagine who thought that one up. ;)
There are many they can't eat, some are just flour and oil etc.

Sometimes they had to eat so much meat they'd become ill and had to have doctors on hand.
 

Soapy

Son of his Father: The Heir and Prince
In my understanding of the Old Testament, when animals are sacrificed, it is not for them to take the punishment for people's sins or to pay a debt that they owe to God for their sins.
The sacrifice is from the release of blood (“The Life is in the blood”). God required a temporary substitute for THE ONE SINLESS INNOCENT SACRIFICE… that was through an [sinless] and [innocent] and [pure (not crossbred, injured or miscoloured)] animal.

A Lamb was the animal of choice … which God sanctioned and is inaugurated in the fact that Jesus is seen as that ‘Lamb’ which was depicted in the book of Revelation, ‘Looking as though slaughtered’. Jesus Christ: the perfect, pure, sinless, righteous, and Holy, Sacrifice, giving his blood, poured out for the salvation of mankind from the sin of Adam.
 

Alien826

No religious beliefs
I always smile when I hear about the "Yom Kippur" practice of driving a goat into the wilderness. It's probably all symbolic, but goats are great survivors in all kinds of conditions, and the goat would probably be quite pleased to be free from human "attentions".
 

Jayhawker Soule

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Premium Member
I always smile when I hear about the "Yom Kippur" practice of driving a goat into the wilderness. It's probably all symbolic, but ...
You can choose to smile and post what you seem to think are clever observations, or you can look into the matter and perhaps learn something. See, for example, Scapegoat. :)
 

Rival

se Dex me saut.
Staff member
Premium Member
See above : :rolleyes:
Sorry for repeating a Tradition!

Ben Achiyya was appointed to treat those priests who suffered from intestinal disease: Since the priests would walk barefoot on the floor [even when it was cold, as their feet had to be in contact with the stones of the Temple floor,] and since they would eat a lot of meat from the offerings and drink a lot of water, they would contract intestinal disease. And Ben Achiyya knew that which particular type of wine was good for healing the intestines, and which type of wine was would be bad for the bowels.


 

Jayhawker Soule

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Premium Member
The Talmud ought be used in these discussions as a relevant historical document.
True. It is also true that the Talmud is an enormous compendium of wide-ranging and often disparate commentary. Casually quote-mining this resource is disrespectful at best. But if you are seriously claiming the intent to focus of Talmudic tradition, I'll take you at your word.
 

Rival

se Dex me saut.
Staff member
Premium Member
Casually quote-mining this resource is disrespectful at best.
I hardly quote mined.

I remembered Tumah had said it so I located the source. It seemed relevant to the discussion and was an interesting titbit.

I don't really see the problem. I used it in defence against the notion of sacrifices as means for priests to gorge themselves.
 
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