Another Christian Dilemma

[Epic Beard Man]

I'm confused as to why G-d would need to have a son in any form.

I know I'm just playing into the narrative.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

The only reason Jesus existed was that it was a way for God to go to hell. Once he went to hell, and rose up, and went to heaven, he essentially 'cleared a new path' that did not exist before.

Nobody went to heaven prior...

???

 

[Cooky]

Salvation, in your words, lies in repentance. The people of Nineveh didn't need Jesus and neither do I.

Ok.

 

[Rival]

I know I'm just playing into the narrative.

I know

 

[Cooky]

???

What is it..?

 

[Epic Beard Man]

I agree that's a problem w/Christianity. However, Islam is also a human-centric religion, and does not take into account the vastness of the universe and our insignificance. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you're a Muslim, right?

I don't think Agnostic-Theism fits into the theological aspect of Islam. Although I've made several comments of my affinity of Islamic thought and practice I'm none in the slightest sense although people continuously confuse me as I am, so I therefore gave up correcting people. But no, I am not.

 

[Rival]

Ok.

Aw, come on, play the game

 

[Epic Beard Man]

And I'm confused by why a god would want to relate to humans at all.

The same way a scientist would want to know the functions of an amoeba. I think if I designed a sentient being I'd be curious about its existence.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

Oh this was addressed years and years ago by C S Lewis in the Narnia stories!

Why should God not have sent a messenger, teacher and exemplar in appropriate form to each intelligent* lifeform? In Narnia, it was as a lion of course.

*i.e. once they have done the equivalent of eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, in other words, achieved moral awareness.

But the lion is a representation of the "lion of Judah" yes I get it. But lions do not have the cognitive faculties to conjugate verbs and nouns in the language humans can understand. So alas I ask the question again, why a bipedal creature? If Jesus is my salvation what about the aliens that soon to arrive on our planet who are more ancient than us? Do we tell them about a human that existed over 2,500 years ago that existed and died for the sins of a human species and not their species?

I think the issue of Jesus would be hard to explain to another species that existed billions of years before humans were ever even though of.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

Within the Quran it gives a clear enough understanding; if Allah sent Angels to mankind, we wouldn't understand them.

False......

The angel Gabriel spoke to Mary the mother of Jesus.

The angel Gabriel also spoke to Muhammad the prophet.

I'm sure angels have their own "heavenly language" as it relates to the realm of the divine, but given the history of the communication between humans and angels, I think angels are endowed with the capacity to speak the languages that exist in both the ether and the realm of corporeal beings.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

The same way a scientist would want to know the functions of an amoeba. I think if I designed a sentient being I'd be curious about its existence.

Wait @Rival isn't the above called parenthood????? LOL

 

[Rival]

Wait @Rival isn't the above called parenthood????? LOL

Basically. And since babies are incapable of pretty much anything, they need parents. Humans are incapable without G-d.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

Is there a universe out there where there isn't a god?

There is a theory of multiple universes....But for this thread let us assume for a moment the deity God, the designer, the author and authoritarian of all things that exist do in fact exist (and is neutral to any specific doctrine), and for simple measure let us take into account the Christian doctrine of Jesus' existence. Why a bipedal organism? Why a human?

I guess ultimately this boils down to the geocentric and human-centric ideology that human beings sees themselves as center of the universe perhaps?

 

[Epic Beard Man]

Basically. A since babies are incapable of pretty much anything, they need parents. Humans are incapable with G-d.

But, humans need God for an infinite number of reasons I suppose. But as I stated previously, isn't the underlying factor of Jesus' story according to Christianity the indirect result of making the human species the center of everything?

 

[Epic Beard Man]

What is it..?

I was confused by your earlier post.

 

[wizanda]

False......

6:8. They say: "Why is not an angel sent down to him?" If we did send down an angel, the matter would be settled at once, and no respite would be granted them.
6:9. If We had made it an angel, We should have sent him as a man, and We should certainly have caused them confusion in a matter which they have already covered with confusion.

Sorry my statement needs editing, as it wasn't expressed well enough... Was simply meaning we would get confused as this implies.

In my opinion.

 

[Rival]

There is a theory of multiple universes....But for this thread let us assume for a moment the deity God, the designer, the author and authoritarian of all things that exist do in fact exist (and is neutral to any specific doctrine), and for simple measure let us take into account the Christian doctrine of Jesus' existence. Why a bipedal organism? Why a human?

I guess ultimately this boils down to the geocentric and human-centric ideology that human beings sees themselves as center of the universe perhaps?

My last post should have said 'without'. Desole.

It does and doesn't. Christianity also sees humans as disgustingly flawed, hellbound beings unworthy of G-d's love. It makes humans the centre because it sees us as, apparently, the most unworthy and despicable.

 

[Truthseeker]

Within the Quran it gives a clear enough understanding; if Allah sent Angels to mankind, we would get confused, so he sends us humans, so we understand.

Yeshua said those who do the work of the father are his brothers, and sisters...

It is only the made up Gospel of John that deems him begotten, which the Quran challenged rightly that how can God who owns reality, beget anything.

In my opinion.

Only in the King James Bible does it say that Jesus is begotten. It is a mistranslation.

 

[Truthseeker]

After the fall of Adam and Eve, all souls went to hades. There was no salvation.

...According to the bible, Jesus died on the cross so that he too could go to hades, but not to stay there, but to free the souls who were there, so that they could go to heaven. This is why Jesus is. It was his purpose. He opened the gates of heaven to mankind, and without him, we would all be doomed to hell for eternity.

Why would all souls go to Hades before Jesus? That is unfair. Original sin makes no sense either. Why would descendants of Adam inherit his sin? The descendants didn't do it.

 

[Cooky]

Why would all souls go to Hades before Jesus? That is unfair. Original sin makes no sense either. Why would descendants of Adam inherit his sin? The descendants didn't do it.

They weren't responsible, but they were infected by the sin that Adam and Eve took in. Therefore, with the stain of sin on their soul, they were adopted by the devil. But God, being all good fixed that. He took them (and us) from the devil, because he is a good and loving God.

He is the Savior. He saved us from ourselves.