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Another Energy Thread

Alt Thinker

Older than the hills
Thank you AVI :)

Well the question should be, "Why does today's physics say that it is impossible?" Because it, on the surfice, breaks the Law of the Conservation of Matter. Which basically says that matter can not be created or destroyed. Stephen Hawking had the same problem with today's physics with his Black Hole math because it claims that matter just goes into a black Hole and is "gone", Which breaks the Law of the Conservation of Matter because matter can not be destroyed. Stephen Hawlking's answer was that it is not destroyed, it just goes into a different dimension. Which now the String Theory folks are beginning to understand. And according to old physics it is impossible for matter to go into a Black Hole and be gone. No longer a part of anything that today's science can measure. Left Creation.

Anyway :) it turns out that if you set up the right energy environments that you can let energey back in again. If you let in a lot of it, then you get the same thing that happens when universes are created. The key is to let little bits in at a time, and those little bits, can cause nuclear change.

The hills are a live with untapped energy sorces :) the future is going to be fun!

A point that seems obvious to me but for some reason no scientist ever talks about it, at least that I can find:

If you drop something into a black hole you never observe it reach the event horizon. You see it moving slower and slower, assuming it does not become effectively unobservable due to time dilation red shift. But in theory it would be possible to continuing observing the object for any arbitrary finite period of time. From the point of view of the observer, the object never leaves the universe and no laws are violated. From the point of view of the object, the trip to the event horizon is of only finite duration but it never observes itself disappearing. So again no laws are violated.
 

mystic64

nolonger active
Ok, mystie, but I think most cosmologists still accept Big Bang. But I believe you are right. If mass leaves the universe through a black hole, it has to be going somewhere...we just don't know where. Another dimension in the multi-universe is certainly possible.

Yep, at least hypothetically speaking anyway :)
 

mystic64

nolonger active
A point that seems obvious to me but for some reason no scientist ever talks about it, at least that I can find:

If you drop something into a black hole you never observe it reach the event horizon. You see it moving slower and slower, assuming it does not become effectively unobservable due to time dilation red shift. But in theory it would be possible to continuing observing the object for any arbitrary finite period of time. From the point of view of the observer, the object never leaves the universe and no laws are violated. From the point of view of the object, the trip to the event horizon is of only finite duration but it never observes itself disappearing. So again no laws are violated.

Alt Thinker, I think what you are discribing is the math. Because the math only works in our reality, then it can only discribe things in a way where the laws in our reality are not broken. Today's physics maintains that there is nothing in existence that exists outside of that which can be measured. And that which can be measured goes from slightly above zero molecular motion to slightly under the speed of light. At zero molecular motion matter disappears leaving a black hole. At the speed of light matter just disappears. Both of these extremes create a situation that modern physics math says is immpossible. The math says that everything just gets smaller and smaller and never disappears. Stephen Hawlking's "black hole" math is the only math in today's physics that actually says that it does disappear.

And today's physics also can not explain how or why what we call matter just exists in our reality part of the time and is just plain gone part of the time. Where does it go and why does it come back? Well, here is how the new possible math is shaping up: What we perceive as Creation exists in a Velocity Time Frame (VTF) and there is a slower Velocity Time Frame than ours and a faster Velocity Time Frame than ours. And for some reason a large amount of mass is accelerated from the slower Velocity Time Frame in a way where it seems to be parked on the edge between our VTF and the slower VTF. This causes this large amount of matter to oscillate between our VTF and the slower VTF. Which then results in a portion of it being in our VTF part of the time and part of the time being in the slower VTF and not in ours. And because only a small part of the mass is in our reality (Velocity Time Frame) at any given time the rest of the mass that is in the slower VTF acts as an anchor that holds what we call matter together.

Anyway none of this has been published yet and is just a little something that at this time is being explored.
 
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mystic64

nolonger active
:eek: are you making this up...or are you Stephen Hawkings ?

No AVI :) , I am not making this up and I am not Stephen Hawkings. And to be honest with you my interest is actually in the physics of faster than light travel. What would happen to a vehical that entered into the next fastest Velocity Time Frame (VTF)? This is with the understanding that the creation of a small new universe in another VTF would not be considered productive :) ! What today's theoretical physics is studying today is the set pattern turbulance that is created when a portion of a large amount of mass is accelerated into the next fastest Velocity Time Frame and the effect that that turbulance has on the matter that inters into that next fastest VTF as a result of that phenomenon. Very roughly speaking it is like breaking the sound barrior only on a way grander scale. And would understanding the physics of what results in what we call Creation and the causes of those physics help to understand what happens if we attempt to accelerate a mass from our VTF into the next fastest VTF?

Now with that said and just for fun, the question being worked on now is, "What would happen if you could accelerate a neutron star, that was just on the edge of becoming a black hole, into the next fastest VTF versus accelerating a fully functional sun of equal mass into the next fastest VTF?" And, "Would the set pattern turbulance created be different for the neutron star than it would be for the normal active star?"

Anyway AVI :) , this is all twenty-third centry stuff that has nothing to do with today's world. Except maybe some spin off stuff that might give us a better understanding of some novel new ways to produce cheap energy when the movers and shakers of the Community of Humankind decides that that is the route that they want to go. Which then brings us back to your, "another energy topic" :) .
 
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Avi1001

reform Jew humanist liberal feminist entrepreneur
It's all good clean fun, mystie, just stay on your medications and everything, including your Velocity Time Frame (VTF) theory will be fine. ;)

Any thoughts about quantum computing ?
 
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mystic64

nolonger active
It's all good clean fun, mystie, just stay on your medications and everything, including your Velocity Time Frame (VTF) theory will be fine. ;)

Any thoughts about quantum computing ?

Well AVI, I hope that you are not emotionally attached to the Quantum Computer :) because there are better ways of doing it than the Quantum Computer, ways that do not result in probability answers. It is the algorithms that are coming out of Quantum Computer reasearch that are what are creating twenty-third century computer designs. The main problem with today's computers is the heat created by resistance. So the use of metal is being phased out and things are moving to the use of multi frequency low energy laser light to establish and retrieve information. And this is done in verious ways. The one that I am familar with uses a chrystal universe, so to speak, and its matrix is sort of like playing five dimensional chess. It is really fast and puts off very little heat. But that is just one way of doing it and most of that stuff/research is at this time classified.

I hope that that was helpful? AVI your gift is your scepticicm and that this message board reality is for entertainment. Anyway, the powers that be are asking me to stay out of the science and politics forums. So, it has been fun meeting you and I have to go back to the religion forums or get off the internet. When "God" says no, no means no :) , so to speak. Anyway Revolt my friend, that is why I am not a "bodice ripping writer", God would fire me if I were to be :) . I love religion, it is fraught with the aura of sanity :) .
 

Whiterain

Get me off of this planet
I'm going to go with magnetism being one of the most powerful and tangible for use, at this current time.

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Avi1001

reform Jew humanist liberal feminist entrepreneur
Mystie, you are indeed sticking with your mystical ways....who knows, perhaps we shall meet again, maybe on the famous "Avi" thread. :D


Well AVI, I hope that you are not emotionally attached to the Quantum Computer :) because there are better ways of doing it than the Quantum Computer, ways that do not result in probability answers. It is the algorithms that are coming out of Quantum Computer reasearch that are what are creating twenty-third century computer designs. The main problem with today's computers is the heat created by resistance. So the use of metal is being phased out and things are moving to the use of multi frequency low energy laser light to establish and retrieve information. And this is done in verious ways. The one that I am familar with uses a chrystal universe, so to speak, and its matrix is sort of like playing five dimensional chess. It is really fast and puts off very little heat. But that is just one way of doing it and most of that stuff/research is at this time classified.

I hope that that was helpful? AVI your gift is your scepticicm and that this message board reality is for entertainment. Anyway, the powers that be are asking me to stay out of the science and politics forums. So, it has been fun meeting you and I have to go back to the religion forums or get off the internet. When "God" says no, no means no :) , so to speak. Anyway Revolt my friend, that is why I am not a "bodice ripping writer", God would fire me if I were to be :) . I love religion, it is fraught with the aura of sanity :) .
 

Avi1001

reform Jew humanist liberal feminist entrepreneur
I'm going to go with magnetism being one of the most powerful and tangible for use, at this current time.

Hi Teddzie, I agree with you about magnetism. Btw what happens when a permanent magnet is accelerated past a coil ?

Can you explain the physics to us ? :D
 

Whiterain

Get me off of this planet
Hi Teddzie, I agree with you about magnetism. Btw what happens when a permanent magnet is accelerated past a coil ?

Can you explain the physics to us ? :D

I am unable to explain the phenomenon of magnetism, although I know it
is a powerful energy if controlled.

The Maglev Train is just one example, magnetic energy
could be used to propel automobiles as well, I couldn't create a design.

Aircraft engines are possible, although, I imagine you could utilize the Earth's
magnetism/ magnetic field and design an engine for an aircraft that would move quite
fast. I can't really explain how an aircraft engine using magnetic power
would work exactly, but I am certain it is possible.

Aliens told me.

:jester3:

It's not a breakthrough, scientists are well aware of the potential power of
controlling magnetism, obviously. Those breakthroughs are more than likely
en-route.

Controlling magnetism is a lot like controlling gravity, I suppose, I'm not a physicist.
 
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mystic64

nolonger active
Mystie, you are indeed sticking with your mystical ways....who knows, perhaps we shall meet again, maybe on the famous "Avi" thread. :D

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Quote=Mysty:Well my friend, i admit that I am probably somewhat of a caveman, but the internet is only a gift as long as the hackers for good can stay ahead of the hackers for bad or self gain. I am inclined to agree that the internet that science uses is a gift, but the public internet is on one hand a wonderment and a gift, but on the other hand it is a dangerous tool if one does not watch their step with it.

Quote=AVI:Which side does this forum fall on ? ;)
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Well AVI, if someone were to actually know what they are talking about it could fall on the wiki leak side because of the international flavor of this message board :) .

The world is on a need to know bases and the world does not need to know :) . I am not sure how we met in the first place, but if your famous thread is not in the Religious forums of this awesome message board, then I won't be on it because I will get myself in trouble, however one wants to define the word trouble :) . Again AVI, it has been really nice to meet you!
 
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Brickjectivity

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
I've been reading in the news about a new advance in batteries to store solar power. The Li, Pb, Sb (Lithium, Lead, Antimony) based batteries operate at 450C, a huge improvement over the previous best batteries. The lower temperature can greatly increase the economic usefulness of solar power and wind power greatly extending their ability to supply power at night and at times when winds are low.

A New Liquid Battery Formula Could Make Solar, Wind More Competitive > ENGINEERING.com
 

Avi1001

reform Jew humanist liberal feminist entrepreneur
Excellent article, Brickj, thanks. Think about the opportunities to increase efficiency further in systems that operate at 450C and approx. 70% efficiency. It is very exciting. And remember, there is also hydrogen.


I've been reading in the news about a new advance in batteries to store solar power. The Li, Pb, Sb (Lithium, Lead, Antimony) based batteries operate at 450C, a huge improvement over the previous best batteries. The lower temperature can greatly increase the economic usefulness of solar power and wind power greatly extending their ability to supply power at night and at times when winds are low.

A New Liquid Battery Formula Could Make Solar, Wind More Competitive > ENGINEERING.com
 

Brickjectivity

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
450 C puts the batteries into the same temperature range as molten paraffin wax and relatively cool and low pressure steam. It means that a manufacturer could combine continuous high temperature processes with battery storage systems to save even more energy or make money by selling power storage.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
450 C puts the batteries into the same temperature range as molten paraffin wax and relatively cool and low pressure steam. It means that a manufacturer could combine continuous high temperature processes with battery storage systems to save even more energy or make money by selling power storage.
450C = 842F, which seems pretty hot to me.
Such batteries used in conjunction with cogeneration (heat engine generating both electricity & useable heat) could have potential.
But a better use might be a low differential temperature heat engine (Stirling cycle) to generate more electricity.
 
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