Another irrefutable proof that God created all things using mathematical induction. And a proof that The Bible is the word of God.

[Subduction Zone]

The lake of fire is symbolic for eternal death with no possibility of resurrection. Believe it or not. The judgment hasn't arrived yet anyway for all.

I see, you interpret the Bible literally until it gets so evil not even you can take it.

 

[ratiocinator]

No, @SavedByTheLord is not bearing false witness even though I do not agree with her(?) about everything she says but when she asks for certain info she's not wrong. Because there is no scientific real answer. No one on earth knows how life started scientifically. Not one person knows. On the earth.
Yes, so what is your answer positively and accurately to what is the answer to what is "the first living creature and where is your calculations?"

Firstly, @SavedByTheLord said "You have no rational answer for the origin of any thing." [emphasis added] Quite clearly we know the origin of all sorts of things. We know pretty much how the sun, earth and the rest of the solar system were formed, for example.

Secondly a 'rational answer' need not have every single detail filled in nor need it be definite in terms of supporting evidence. I have already given an example for how life kicked off via evolution in 'RNA world'. This RNA molecule replicates;

NNNNNNUGCUCGAUUGGUAACAGUUUGAAUGGGUUGAAGUAU–GAGACCGNNNNNN

It's called R3C. More details here: Evolution in an RNA World.

This would seem to me to be a perfectly rational answer and easily shows that @SavedByTheLord 's absurd assumptions are wrong and her/his calculations nonsense.

On the other had, just giving up and saying "This is difficult, I dunno, it must be (god-)magic.", i.e. invoking the Incredible Shrinking God of the Gaps doesn't seem at all rational, even if one believes in a god. It's not got a good track record. Science does.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

There's no reason to think that you know what "rational moral reasoning" actually is.

Doesn't matter.

You asked a question about how we could know if things are moral or immoral.
That's my answer.

Do you disagree with it?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

The only difference between genetic engineering and natural selection that I'm aware of is that in genetic engineering you have a person doing the selecting whilst in natural selection you have an environment doing the selecting.

Apart from that I believe the random mutations provided for selection to be the same.

But I'm no biologist so I look forward to somone more qualified than myself to correct me if I'm wrong.

Actually, your wording is a bit off.

What you mean is "artificial selection" or some such.
Genetic engineering is actually a scientist directly messing with the genes of things.
Like for example literally going into the genetics to remove certain harmful genes from human embryo's or alike.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

The giraffe has special valves that regulate blood flood to do this, which BTW proves the giraffe did not evolve.

Doesn't follow

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

All my sins were punished about 2000 years ago on the cross as God my Father poured out His wrath on His own Son .
And Christ had the most to say about hell than anyone as He lovingly warned about it.

"kiss my feet or I will have you tortured for eternity"

So loving

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

What are you babbling about?
of course are sins were punished in the wrath poured out on Christ.
You are lost and you will find out the very moment you die.

So much for you nonsense about Hitler.
It matters not what you do in life.

Genuinely good people who, for whatever reason, happen to not be christians get tortured.
Evil people who, for whatever reason, die as christians get eternal bliss.

Way to undermine your own bs.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

It exists. It just isn't what many people think it means or is. It exists symbolically, not literally.

Then it doesn't actually exist.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Well where did it all cone from?
You have no rational answer for the origin of any thing.

Blatant argument from ignorance.
While being willfully ignorant.

A deadly combination

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Many will have eternal life.

What's the criteria, according to your theology?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Therefore never saved to begin with.
Christians are saved by the loving sacrifice of Jesus Christ.

Right, so not by actually being good people.

So in other words, "justice" has nothing to do with it.
Good or bad behavior has nothing to do with it.
Sin is irrelevant.

The only thing that matters is what you believe. And in most cases, that is just the result of a geographic accident. So if you are born in rural pakistan and brought up a muslim, born in tibet and brought up a budhist, born in india and brought up a hindu, born in italy and brought up as "the wrong version of christian",.... it matters not what kind of life you lead... it's to hell with you.


Great sense of "justice" you got there.

 

[SavedByTheLord]

Right, so not by actually being good people.

So in other words, "justice" has nothing to do with it.
Good or bad behavior has nothing to do with it.
Sin is irrelevant.

The only thing that matters is what you believe. And in most cases, that is just the result of a geographic accident. So if you are born in rural pakistan and brought up a muslim, born in tibet and brought up a budhist, born in india and brought up a hindu, born in italy and brought up as "the wrong version of christian",.... it matters not what kind of life you lead... it's to hell with you.


Great sense of "justice" you got there.

Again an unsaved person will never understand the gospel of Christ or the word of God.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Again an unsaved person will never understand the gospel of Christ or the word of God.

Once again, you run from the point made and try to change the subject.

A clear sign of knowing you are defeated.

 

[SavedByTheLord]

Once again, you run from the point made and try to change the subject.

A clear sign of knowing you are defeated.

You only points were refuted and only proved you are wrong yet again.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

You only points were refuted

You didn't even address them.
How could they be refuted...

Here it is again:
You say works don't matter.
You even flat out said in another post that Hitler is in hell because he was the "wrong kind of christian" (= a catholic).
So Hitler being punished, as per your very own acknowledgement, has NOTHING to do with him being a genocidal psychopathic facistic maniac and EVERYTHING with not believing in your version of god.


So your god does not punish bad behavior or reward good behavior (which is what justice would be).
Instead, your god merely rewards beliefs he approves off. And since those beliefs are "kissing his feet and worshipping him" that is just pure narcistic pettyness.

Your god is thus not just.

It's that simple.

There's no way to weasel out of this. You're done. You've demonstrated that you worship a petty narcistic psychopath who cares not for good or evil behavior.
There's not anything more you can say to change this fact.

The only thing that would turn this around, is retract your own words and acknowledge you were wrong.
But I predict there is exactly zero chance of you doing that.

And as I have demonstrated so many times in the past allredy, my prophetic capabilities are outstanding and perfect.

Like now also... I will once again make a prophetic statement:
You shall not address any point made here directly. Instead, you shall once again come back with a silly irrelevant statement that doesn't address anything I said and you will simply repeat the same nonsense as you've been doing since you joined this forum.

This is my prediction. And you WILL prove me correct once again.

 

[SavedByTheLord]

You didn't even address them.
How could they be refuted...

Here it is again:
You say works don't matter.
You even flat out said in another post that Hitler is in hell because he was the "wrong kind of christian" (= a catholic).
So Hitler being punished, as per your very own acknowledgement, has NOTHING to do with him being a genocidal psychopathic facistic maniac and EVERYTHING with not believing in your version of god.


So your god does not punish bad behavior or reward good behavior (which is what justice would be).
Instead, your god merely rewards beliefs he approves off. And since those beliefs are "kissing his feet and worshipping him" that is just pure narcistic pettyness.

Your god is thus not just.

It's that simple.

There's no way to weasel out of this. You're done. You've demonstrated that you worship a petty narcistic psychopath who cares not for good or evil behavior.
There's not anything more you can say to change this fact.

The only thing that would turn this around, is retract your own words and acknowledge you were wrong.
But I predict there is exactly zero chance of you doing that.

And as I have demonstrated so many times in the past allredy, my prophetic capabilities are outstanding and perfect.

Like now also... I will once again make a prophetic statement:
You shall not address any point made here directly. Instead, you shall once again come back with a silly irrelevant statement that doesn't address anything I said and you will simply repeat the same nonsense as you've been doing since you joined this forum.

This is my prediction. And you WILL prove me correct once again.

What points?
The word of God is quite clear and you are a living prediction from the Bible.
Thanks for yet another proof.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Like now also... I will once again make a prophetic statement:
You shall not address any point made here directly. Instead, you shall once again come back with a silly irrelevant statement that doesn't address anything I said and you will simply repeat the same nonsense as you've been doing since you joined this forum.

This is my prediction. And you WILL prove me correct once again.

What points?
The word of God is quite clear and you are a living prediction from the Bible.
Thanks for yet another proof.

I'm so awesome.

 

[SavedByTheLord]

I'm so awesome.

Good for you.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

Therefore never saved to begin with.

There is no good reason to believe any of that, nor to believe that if saving is a thing - whatever that means - that we aren't all saved.

an unsaved person will never understand the gospel of Christ or the word of God.

Does that mean Yours True is unsaved? She doesn't share your hell theology, and by your reckoning, doesn't understand her Bible.

What you've described is confirmation bias. If the gospels cannot convince a skeptic, he needs to stop being a skeptic to become saved and understand the words he's already decided to believe are true before he was able to understand them.

And I understand scripture better now than when I was a believer. Why? I don't read it the same way. I'm not looking to make it correct or moral where it's incorrect and immoral. The believer is.

The word of God is quite clear

Apparently not. You can't agree amongst yourselves what it means. Unbelievers don't have that problem. When I read another's skeptic's understanding of them, it almost always comports with mine. That's because we aren't motivated readers trying to make the words make sense or more palatable.

when she asks for certain info she's not wrong.

I certainly hope that poster isn't a woman. But whether a he or a she, he's not looking for information. He doesn't even read the replies. He's preaching, by which I mean he's here to promulgate his beliefs through repetition (attempting to indoctrinate his audience through repetition rather than argument). His Gish gallop is an incredulity fallacy, the implication being that if you can't answer his questions, you are wrong and he is correct.

Because there is no scientific real answer.

Sure there is, just not for you.

No one on earth knows how life started scientifically.

We don't need to know in detail, and may never be able to say what the first population of cells was like in detail, but that doesn't matter.

The demons do not want a person to understand what hell is and what the scriptures mean.

Would you say that the poster above who disagrees with you is in the sway of those demons?

The Lake of Fire is symbolic for eternal death. Not everyone will be in the lake of fire. Many will have eternal life.

You don't know that.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Good for you.

You'ld think so ha.......


In reality, I find nothing more depressing or sad then to be correct about things like that.
I would much prefer you to surprise me and actually start engaging in intellectual and honest discussion.

But alas.......