There is no such thing as an "evolutionist" any more than a "germist" or an "atomic theorist", as in someone who believes in germs or atoms and all the rules that apply. There is just well demonstrated science.
None of it is belief, everything is based on what the evidence demonstrates.
All you are doing is pretending it's me who is hard to reason with because you had to face actual reason.
Let's look.
what you said:
"The article didn't prove that either. And I wasn't saying taste wasn't important. I was saying you could survive by eating without the food tasting wonderful - that was the point. So it wasn't a necessity for foods to evolve with different tastes or for tastebuds to be able to enjoy it to have evolved."
The answer, perfectly reasonable, which you don't comment on
"It was explained that taste buds actually DO contribute to the survival of an animal, and guess what........move that goalpost, as all apologists do.
Maybe Vishnu gave us tastebuds, or Inanna in her wisdom wanted us to enjoy taste. But it looks like it's just more evolution."
Then you asked -
YOUR WORDS -
"What would be the cause for a tree to evolve into an apple tree?"
and you got a reasonable explanation
An answer was given to which you completely are ignoring and pretending I answered with something completely unreasonable.
Fruits evolved because other animals eat them and throw away the seeds which is a excellent way to spread seeds around for a tree.
We also have an evolutionary understanding of the apple, with evidence, which again you ignored?
Again -
Apples originally evolved in the wild to entice ancient megafauna to disperse their seeds. More recently, humans began spreading the trees along the Silk Road with other familiar crops. Dispersing the apple trees led to their domestication.
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Summary:Apples originally evolved in the wild to entice ancient megafauna to disperse their seeds. More recently, humans began spreading the trees along the Silk Road with other familiar crops. Dispersing the apple trees led to their domestication.
Recent archaeological finds of ancient preserved apple seeds across Europe and West Asia combined with historical, paleontological, and recently published genetic data are presenting a fascinating new narrative for one of our most familiar fruits. In this study, Robert Spengler of the Max Planck Institute for the Science of Human History traces the history of the apple from its wild origins, noting that it was originally spread by ancient megafauna and later as a process of trade along the Silk Road. These processes allowed for the development of the varieties that we know today.
You are again literally asking why a tree would evolve apples, getting an answer and calling me "unreasonable".
So what you mean by "unreasonable" is I demonstrated your beliefs may not be rational.
First you asked WHY. What would a reason be.
Then you get an explanation AND a reference to actual archaeological data:
"Recent archaeological finds of ancient preserved apple seeds across Europe and West Asia combined with historical, paleontological, and recently published genetic data are presenting a fascinating new narrative for one of our most familiar fruits. In this study, Robert Spengler of the Max Planck Institute for the Science of Human History traces the history of the apple from its wild origins, noting that it was originally spread by ancient megafauna and later as a process of trade along the Silk Road. These processes allowed for the development of the varieties that we know today."
and you now say there "is no evidence and only claims"?????
Except there is actual evidence. Preserved apple seeds and genetic data from seeds give data that produces a narrative.
So you did not answer any of the post, you made all dishonest statements. So you simply do not care about what is actually true.
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