Another member of the squad pro-terrorist.

[Enoch07]

In reality, everybody knows he's a lying, principle-less scumbag, willing to say anything to play up to the egos of his ultra-conservative handlers and peddle garbage to people gullible enough to confuse offensive and blatantly false garbage for ironic subversion of some perceived status quo.

So much do that you can't refute a single thing he's said.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

Why not? I didn't see anything they did that was wrong which was celebrate one's sexual orientation.

To quote myself:

Yes, because it is purposefully misinterpreting the point of gay pride as being simply a celebration of being gay. Gay pride, like black pride, is celebration of being gay despite violent opposition to it

Essentially, it is a form of political activism in and if itself and thus will be met with protest. Not condoning violence, mind you, but this isn't a simple case of people celebrating their sexuality. The organizers website proves this with their statement of being an "oppressed majority. "

 

[Guitar's Cry]

How about it being a free country and being allowed to celebrate anything you want freely?

Is that ok with you fascist?

Sure. But this is political activism not a simple celebration.

They are free to do so of course! Freedom of assembly, right? But that doesn't trump others' right to do the same and my freedom of speech to call them out on their political motives.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

Identity politics /puke.

We are all playing identity politics here.

ImmortalFlame's original point was valid.

 

[tytlyf]

I heard AOC said something like "where are all the women" at the straight pride parade? More girls at a gay pride parade than this one.
The parade was an abysmal failure and embarrassment. Straight pride parade led by a supposed gay guy.

A bunch of white nationalist snowflakes who think straight people are being oppressed. lmao
Q sent them.....

 

[Enoch07]

Essentially, it is a form of political activism in and if itself and thus will be met with protest.

Peaceful counter protest sure. But antifa is not know for its peaceful protest. *cough FBI terrorist watch list cough*

The organizers website proves this with their statement of being an "oppressed majority. "

Satire as pointed in your link.

But this is political activism not a simple celebration.

Gay pride is not political activism?

They are free to do so of course! Freedom of assembly, right?

Yes, then why are people attacking the paradees and the cops protecting them from fringe loons?

But that doesn't trump others' right to do the same and my freedom of speech to call them out on their political motives.

Examine what you just said. Now apply it.

If gay pride is allowed then straight Pride is allowed. Neither should be met with threats and physical violence.

 

[Enoch07]

We are all playing identity politics here.

ImmortalFlame's original point was valid.

Nope, a straight pride parade led by a gay man is the antithesis of identity politics.

 

[Revoltingest]

A straight pride parade seems an insignificant thing.
But the reactions to it are another matter.
If they just ignored it, all would ignore it.
But instead, it becomes about violent lefties.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

Peaceful counter protest sure. But antifa is not know for its peaceful protest. *cough FBI terrorist watch list cough*

They have had some violent incidents, of course, but note my repeated caveats of not condoning violence.

Satire as pointed in your link..

It certainly seems satirical. How much of it is serious? And I would count this as political satire, which begs the question further of the motives for straight pride parades.

Gay pride is not political activism?.

It is! Very much so. But it also celebrates pride in being part of a marginalized community that has faced horrific violence.

Yes, then why are people attacking the paradees and the cops protecting them from fringe loons?
.

I imagine the same reasons politics has always had violent reactions with controversial subjects.

Examine what you just said. Now apply it.

If gay pride is allowed then straight Pride is allowed. Neither should be met with threats and physical violence.

Sure. Read my posts. This isn't a disagreement.

Pride parades can occur. They are constitutionally protected. But straight pride is a direct reaction to LGBTQ groups gaining a foothold in having some equality. Gay pride is a reaction to violence and bigotry against LGBTQ groups.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

Nope, a straight pride parade led by a gay man is the antithesis of identity politics.

Actually, it is a caricature of it.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

A straight pride parade seems an insignificant thing.
But the reactions to it are another matter.
If they just ignored it, all would ignore it.
But instead, it becomes about violent lefties.

I doubt it's insignificant to the LGBTQ community.

The focus on violent lefties appears to be a perspective based on where one leans politically.

 

[Enoch07]

They have had some violent incidents, of course, but note my repeated caveats of not condoning violence.

Don't ya think the folks causing violence are in the wrong then?

It certainly seems satirical.

Indeed it is. Why else dress as a clown?

How much of it is serious?

Little to none of it.

It is!

Then what is the problem with straight pride being political?

I imagine the same reasons politics has always had violent reactions with controversial subjects.

Yes ignorance and hate.

But straight pride is a direct reaction to LGBTQ groups gaining a foothold in having some equality.

Incorrect, you even said it was satirical. There was no signs/rhetoric calling for the end of gay rights.

Gay pride is a reaction to violence and bigotry against LGBTQ groups.

Straight Pride parade is now too. Because guess what some violent bigots showed up and assaulted participants and the cops protecting them. They tried to oppress the parade before, up to, and during it. Becoming the monsters they claim to oppose.

Actually, it is a caricature of it

Nah satire bra.

 

[Revoltingest]

I doubt it's insignificant to the LGBTQ community.

But it should be.
When people seek negative attention,
rewarding them with it only encourages them.

The focus on violent lefties appears to be a perspective based on where one leans politically.

And that is why the left, if they want a better image,
should avoid playing into the right's hands.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

Don't ya think the folks causing violence are in the wrong then?

I don't advocate violence, so yes, I would say that's accurate. Not surprising, but I am not a fan of it.

Indeed it is. Why else dress as a clown?

Clown World - RationalWiki

Little to none of it.

How do you know? The political afflictions of the leaders suggest otherwise.

Then what is the problem with straight pride being political?

One is based on tragedy, the other...satire? A feeling of having sexuality threatened by another group having equal rights?

Yes ignorance and hate.

Sometimes. Also fear.

Incorrect, you even said it was satirical. There was no signs/rhetoric calling for the end of gay rights.

Satire is as much a part of political activism as seriousness.

Straight Pride parade is now too. Because guess what some violent bigots showed up and assaulted participants and the cops protecting them. They tried to oppress the parade before, up to, and during it. Becoming the monsters they claim to oppose.

Compare this to the violence and bigotry behind gay pride.

Nah satire bra.

Nah, a caricature.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

But it should be.
When people seek negative attention,
rewarding them with it only encourages them.

Sure. I just have a hard time blaming them for it. After hard fought battles both political and social, seeing a group of yahoos gaining attention with "straight pride" to combat oppression must be frustrating.

In other words, I feel no reason to justify the straight pride folks.

And that is why the left, if they want a better image,
should avoid playing into the right's hands.

And vice versa.

 

[Revoltingest]

In other words, I feel no reason to justify the straight pride folks.

The only justification I see is to provoke others.
Btw, I'm not saying that's a good idea.

 

[Enoch07]

How do you know?

Because they dressed as clowns.......

The real definition of clown world.

Redirect Notice

Has nothing to do with white supremacy.

One is based on tragedy, the other...satire?

Sure

Satire is as much a part of political activism as seriousness.

Then why the above?

Compare this to the violence and bigotry behind gay pride.

Whataboutism is irrelevant here.

Nah, a caricature.

Satire as you have repeatedly said.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

The only justification I see is to provoke others.
Btw, I'm not saying that's a good idea.

Right, what I mean is that were I to focus on the violence of the event, it may seem to justify the event. My goal is to delegitimize the straight pride folks.

 

[Enoch07]

My goal is to delegitimize the straight pride folks.

So you want to de-legitimize heterosexuality. So gay pride is anti-hetero then.

 

[Revoltingest]

Right, what I mean is that were I to focus on the violence of the event, it may seem to justify the event. My goal is to delegitimize the straight pride folks.

Ignoring them is the best way.