Another shooting fueled by an extreme right wing white supremacist

[shmogie]

In the case of Australia, was it in their constitution? Politicians here hailed New Zealand for swift action but it wasn't part of their constitution in the first place. Imagine what could be done if the 2A wasn't there, then when that doesn't work since words and books supposedly make people kill kill people then we could do away with the first amendment. It's a slippery slope for sure

I once again point to Britain, and their panic over the high levels of murders with knives. There are now knife control laws. Knife confiscation next ? Then laws against carrying a concealed rock ?

 

[Thief]

news flash
a black man opens fire at a Walmart

 

[Revoltingest]

news flash
a black man opens fire at a Walmart

Odd....I'd searched some articles, but found no reference to the shooter's race.
(This often means they're non-white.)
How do you know he's black?

 

[Thief]

Odd....I'd searched some articles, but found no reference to the shooter's race.
(This often means they're non-white.)
How do you know he's black?

they posted a photo

 

[Revoltingest]

they posted a photo

What were the races of his victims?

 

[Thief]

What were the races of his victims?

not sure
and I can't drag and drop the report

see Southhaven

 

[SugarOcean]

You do know why the "second amendment" is called an "amendment" don't you?

You do know it is called an unalienable civil right don't you?

 

[SugarOcean]

Does that mean there are 300,000,000 Psychopaths?

I might have to agree with you if that's the case. I mean you don't want 300 million Psychopaths running around and shooting up the place with 300 million guns.

Have you noticed what doesn't get a lot of press by an anti-gun slanted media are those who stopped violent people from exacting more carnage and due to those people having a firearm so as to stop the violence.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

Actually a real conservative, economic or political, wouldn't be supporting Trump based on his actions.

Right but when you see these s-called conservative outlets, situations like this they tend to bring it back to democrats (i.e. Fox News).

 

[Epic Beard Man]

I probably would not like him, but I think playing the blame game is wrong, useless, and a distraction.

His rhetoric many times have embolden people to act this way. this is provable evidence in the recent shootings and white nationalist demonstrations we've seen.

Each person is responsible for their own behavior. The shooter made the choice to deliberately shoot and kill people.

Sure, we are all responsible for our actions, but sometimes our actions can be propagated by hateful rhetoric, which in this case the shooter made mention of "mixed people" then proceeded to quote white supremacist rhetoric via some author.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Have you noticed what doesn't get a lot of press by an anti-gun slanted media are those who stopped violent people from exacting more carnage and due to those people having a firearm so as to stop the violence.

It's the exact same reason why the police have guns and the military have guns.

It never is nor ever was the tool.

It's the person who's using the tool and if you really want figures, these people and incidents as tragic as they are, remain very much in the minority considering our population which is estimated around 327 million people.

The tally from the shootings are pretty much a drop in the bucket from a demographic perspective, but the Socialist Democrats wouldn't want you to think that, but rather they want to think and do shout from the rooftops through the bias media there's basically a swath of psychopaths hiding in your neighborhood in every town and every city in the United States hoarding guns just clamoring at the opportunity to shed blood just hoping you give up your constitutional rights.

It's easier and more beneficial for the Socialists to vilify Guns and attack the Constitution, than address the reason why we are collectively breeding numerous Psychopaths and 'glorifying' them in the media.

 

[InChrist]

His rhetoric many times have embolden people to act this way. this is provable evidence in the recent shootings and white nationalist demonstrations we've seen.



Sure, we are all responsible for our actions, but sometimes our actions can be propagated by hateful rhetoric, which in this case the shooter made mention of "mixed people" then proceeded to quote white supremacist rhetoric via some author.

I don't see it that way. The person spewing the hateful rhetoric is responsible for their words, but the person choosing to implement violent behavior is solely responsible for their crimes. There were those in Nazi Germany who heard the same hateful rhetoric against the Jews as everyone else, but instead of being influenced by hate, they chose to do the right thing and helped and hid the Jews. As a one who believes in the Day of Judgement before God Almighty, I don't think blaming anyone else for one's actions on that day is going to defer personal accountability or judgement.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

I don't see it that way.

That is the problem.

The person spewing the hateful rhetoric is responsible for their words, but the person choosing to implement violent behavior is solely responsible for their crimes.

Ironic considering Christians attribute Islamic extremism to Islamic doctrine, I see you good Christian folk like to move goal posts often. Apparently white extremists who kill aren't influenced by something other than their own distorted intellect.

Me: Far right wing extremist killed 36 Muslims in a house of worship in the name of Christianity

Christian: That wasn't a true Christian

News Media: Muslim extremist blows up hotel

Christian: Islam is evil!!!!! The Qur'an influenced this evil!!!

There were those in Nazi Germany who heard the same hateful rhetoric against the Jews as everyone else, but instead of being influenced by hate, they chose to do the right thing and helped and hid the Jews.

False equivalence. Jesus and Hitler both had mustaches but they held different opposing views on life.

As a one who believes in the Day of Judgement before God Almighty, I don't think blaming anyone else for one's actions on that day is going to defer personal accountability or judgement.

Nobody is blaming anyone. apparently you're conflating the word "embolden" with blame. Nobody is blaming anyone. I'm merely saying Trump's racism and his bigotry emboldens white supremacist who have violent tendencies. Similarly, the individual whom the shooter quoted, was emboldened by the words of racism which influenced their violent behavior.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

@SugarOcean

What is your opinion of this:

Then watch

 

[siti]

You do know it is called an unalienable civil right don't you?

No I didn't know that - where does it say that?

 

[InChrist]

That is the problem.



Ironic considering Christians attribute Islamic extremism to Islamic doctrine, I see you good Christian folk like to move goal posts often. Apparently white extremists who kill aren't influenced by something other than their own distorted intellect.

Me: Far right wing extremist killed 36 Muslims in a house of worship in the name of Christianity

Christian: That wasn't a true Christian

News Media: Muslim extremist blows up hotel

Christian: Islam is evil!!!!! The Qur'an influenced this evil!!!



False equivalence. Jesus and Hitler both had mustaches but they held different opposing views on life.



Nobody is blaming anyone. apparently you're conflating the word "embolden" with blame. Nobody is blaming anyone. I'm merely saying Trump's racism and his bigotry emboldens white supremacist who have violent tendencies. Similarly, the individual whom the shooter quoted, was emboldened by the words of racism which influenced their violent behavior.

Okay, I see your point. Nevertheless, my point is that someone else's rhetoric is no excuse even as far as thinking hateful rhetoric emboldens another to commit violence because each person makes that final choice and they alone are solely responsible.for their action. I had a father who I would classify as a bigot. He would sit at the dinner table and degrade people of color. He constantly belittled and degraded other races with jokes and derogatory terms. Even as a child I KNEW THIS WAS WRONG. From a young age I made the deliberate decision to think and act differently than him in this area and as I got older did not let this issue slide, but called him on it whenever he spoke in bigoted ways toward others.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

Okay, I see your point. Nevertheless, my point is that someone else's rhetoric is no excuse even as far as thinking hateful rhetoric emboldens another to commit violence because each person makes that final choice and they alone are solely responsible.

I'm not disputing this at all. What one does is on their own accord, but nevertheless, we are influenced by the words of others case in point are not you not influenced by the words of Jesus? Are you not a follower of Jesus' example and try to emulate him via his teachings?

Even as a child I KNEW THIS WAS WRONG. From a young age I made the deliberate decision to think and act differently than him in this area and as I got older did not let this issue slide, but called him on it whenever he spoke in bigoted ways toward others.

Well you're an exception and unfortunately not the rule.

 

[Augustus]

Who cares what gun was used.

People who dislike the media report things in an inaccurate and sensationalist manner.

I'm sure you are against this as a general principle.

 

[Shad]

I suspect no conservatives will be on board in channeling criticism against the divisive rhetoric of this so-called leader, but this needs to stop.

People can disagree with your conclusion. which has no evidence in this case, about the rhetoric while agreeing WS is a problem. You are just unable to remove yourself from your identity politics mind trap, again.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

People can disagree with your conclusion. which has no evidence in this case, about the rhetoric while agreeing WS is a problem. You are just unable to remove yourself from your identity politics mind trap, again.

Jesus, you come with no argument.....You're ridiculous learn to debate man