Another shooting fueled by an extreme right wing white supremacist

[shmogie]

I think we should be cautious about infringing on the privacy of citizens. That said, stricter gun registration laws make sense to me, given that gun ownership is completely voluntary.

What gun control laws would have prevented this ? I worked as a LEO for 25 years in the peoples republik of kalifornia.

Through those 25 years, the state enacted more and more laws to control guns.

Every crook I took a gun away from was violating these laws. Rarely was a person who obtained their firearm legally, and had no criminal record, involved in crime.

Today the state registers ammunition.

Have any of these draconian laws reduced the murder rates of the state ? I don´t think so The crooks ignore the laws, the law abiding citizens are hamstrung by them, and once again the crooks become the alpha predators.

When I was a kid in kalifornia, firearms were readily available. KIds got BB guns, then when they were a little older, they got .22 rifles. You could even buy a firearm through the mail. Firearms safety was taught in schools.

I remember my home town having itś first murder in five years.

Today, with all the laws on the books, my home town is for itś size, is the murder capital of the state.

Laws did nothing in deterring criminals bent on killing each other in drug or gang activities, or innocent citizens, nothing.

 

[Revoltingest]

Blacks aren't the only one's that play the victim card. The tragic part is when they throw that card they don't realize they're insulting their lineage and the history of blacks in America.

Those who told you that were racists that were race baiting.
They were also blind to the fact that Obama, had he been any race and behaved as he did for eight years in office, was a racist and a traitor. That he left office out of handcuffs, walking beside Hillary in her own set of bracelets, was a tragedy that will impact America for generations to come.

Well....I wouldn't have put Obama in handcuffs.
We just disagreed about some policies.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

This thread isn't even about the tragedy, but rather blaming Trump.

He kind of does have a role to play in the empowerment of white supremacists. We can clearly see it before the election, on election night, and how Trump has downplayed it by saying they are "good people" and stating that white supremacy is not a problem. Trump didn't pull the trigger, but he's empowered many who have (or drove their car into a peaceful protest).

 

[Revoltingest]

He kind of does have a role to play in the empowerment of white supremacists. We can clearly see it before the election, on election night, and how Trump has downplayed it by saying they are "good people"....

That is to misquote him.
I've researched it, & it was about protesters on both sides....not about Nazis.
And the OP makes no case for his claim.
On top of that, the perp shot white folk.

 

[SugarOcean]

He kind of does have a role to play in the empowerment of white supremacists. We can clearly see it before the election, on election night, and how Trump has downplayed it by saying they are "good people" and stating that white supremacy is not a problem. Trump didn't pull the trigger, but he's empowered many who have (or drove their car into a peaceful protest).

Well that first part clearly chooses to ignore the facts contrary to that fabrication. .

Yes, Trump is responsible for how hate filled racists think and act. After he's repeatedly condemned racism and hateful actions, hate filled racists bent on violence drone like go forth and act out because Trump sent them. God help us if anyone actually buys that garbage.
I wonder how much Soros, and Hillary and the other Democrat aligned anti-Trump groups are paying their trolls now.
Soros was at $10. an hour paying trolls to pose as Republicans and start riots at Trump rallies during the first campaign. Cost of living pay raise no doubt. Probably at $15. now.

 

[Revoltingest]

Well that first part clearly chooses to ignore the facts contrary to that fabrication. .

I regularly hear/see him being misquoted in the news on this.
And then people just repeat the falsehood.

There is much to criticize regarding Trump.
No need to make up things.

 

[SugarOcean]

That is to misquote him.
I've researched it, & it was about protesters on both sides....not about Nazis.
And the OP makes no case for his claim.
On top of that, the perp shot white folk.

Facts aren't the issue in the OP. Nor is there proof as yet that the dead shooter was a WS.

 

[Revoltingest]

Facts aren't the issue in the OP. Nor is there proof as yet that the dead shooter was a WS.

Who needs proof when one has prejudice & faith, eh.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

That is to misquote him.
I've researched it, & it was about protesters on both sides....not about Nazis.
And the OP makes no case for his claim.
On top of that, the perp shot white folk.

Who do you think "both sides" included? It wasn't hippies on one side and toddlers on the other.

 

[SugarOcean]

I regularly hear/see him being misquoted in the news on this.
And then people just repeat the falsehood.

There is much to criticize regarding Trump.
No need to make up things.

Well, it's delusion at work. And as mentioned in a different thread, a very real anti-Trump campaign sponsored and funded by groups dedicated to the slander. They hire trolls to pretend to be Republican and then launch into violence at gatherings. They hire anti-Trump trolls to propagate fake news and stoker the slanderous accusations of racism, etc.. on social media outlets and forums.
They're weaklings these fund groups. Many are spurred on if not supported financially by Soros and HRC.

And it is all to distract and disrupt Trump from doing his job for America and the American people. Because they would rather have had a traitor and the protege of her traitor boss in the highest office. So that she could sell out America for four more years and make a fortune doing it.
The Democrats behind this hate America. Their agenda is to make America fail from the inside. That's why the Democrat party has always enslaved a people, has always made a people weak and dependent on the nanny state model. It is why ten of the top cities are run by Democrats and they're horrible places to live and their people suffer.

The Democrat party is the enemy of America. And the power behind that fact despise a patriot who loves America. They never thought Trump would win. But he did. Those powers don't plan in terms of presidential terms. They plan in terms of generations.
And Trump threw a wrench into it. Well, I should say the American voters threw a wrench into it.

At least the MAGA slander has stopped. Likely because the truth, again, got to be so loud they had no choice. MAGA was the 1991 slogan originated by Democrat Bill Clinton when he was running for office.
So when the MAGA Red haters hated MAGA they were retroactively spitting in the face of their own former Democrat President.
But followers follow. They don't think. They don't recall history. Not even that of their own party. And likely because the most vocal are paid to be that.

 

[Revoltingest]

Who do you think "both sides" included? It wasn't hippies on one side and toddlers on the other.

I read the full quote in context.
The artful abbreviation applied only to the Nazis is dishonest.
I agree that good people can be on both sides of the Confederate
monuments argument. So can bad people.

 

[SugarOcean]

You're the only one ignoring facts, because yes, it did really happen. White supremacists, KKK, Neo-Nazis, they LOVE Trump. They see him as "their guy," and his victory gave them a sense of empowerment that they should never have gotten.

Wow, you really don't get that picture. But thanks for posting it so your carping against Trump can be put into even more perspective.
Make America White Again.
White shirts. Red print. White shirts. Make America white again.
What race baiter's don't get and likely because they're not really in this country or they'd know this, is that AMERICA HAS NEVER BEEN WHITE!
Figured capital letters would get through since you are fond of posting capital letter white shirts as proof Trump is a puppet master that has his hands in the back of people and makes them act out without their ability to exercise restraint or control.


Deflecting responsibility for people committing bad acts so as to push their choices on Trump as his responsibility is irrational. And insensitive when violent people take lives.


Grow past the hate. Grow a conscience.

 

[Nakosis]

You're the only one ignoring facts, because yes, it did really happen. White supremacists, KKK, Neo-Nazis, they LOVE Trump. They see him as "their guy," and his victory gave them a sense of empowerment that they should never have gotten.

Original photo

Can't trust pictures any more.

Hmm... they all have a semi-Trumpese hairdo?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Deflecting responsibility for people committing bad acts so as to push their choices on Trump as his responsibility is irrational.

Have you never heard of people influencing others?

 

[SugarOcean]

I read the full quote in context.
The artful abbreviation applied only to the Nazis is dishonest.

You can bet they haven't watched his actual speech.
Trump condemns Charlottesville attack (full) - YouTube

 

[SugarOcean]

Original photo

Can't trust pictures any more.

Hmm... they all have a semi-Trumpese hairdo?

Thank You!

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Can't trust pictures any more.

Either way, I have other examples that aren't pictures.
White nationalists mark Trump win with Nazi salute

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I read the full quote in context.
The artful abbreviation applied only to the Nazis is dishonest.
I agree that good people can be on both sides of the Confederate
monuments argument. So can bad people.

I never claimed that it did exclusively apply to Nazis. But that the comment did include white supremacists.

 

[Revoltingest]

I never claimed that it did exclusively apply to Nazis. But that the comment did include white supremacists.

Nazis...white supremacists....I make no distinction in this context.
I still allow for both good & bad people to be on both sides

 

[SugarOcean]

Have you never heard of people influencing others?

I sure have! I've witnessed it in a matter of a few seconds in fact.

Whatever they're paying U it isn't enough.

Bye!