Anti-gay baker now takes stand against birthdays for trans people

[InChrist]

Except when what you outline above? Does not, in fact, work.

I know of countless examples where this is the case, in fact...

There may be cases and reasons why it does not work , if one approaches the scriptures with the wrong attitude, or the desire to prove them wrong, or thinking human wisdom is superior to God's wisdom, etc. I'm not saying you came at it with any issues such as these, only God knows your heart and intentions.

 

[Audie]

The problem with that is that one ends up with 40,000 different "inspired" interpretations of the Bible.

Now,that is just nonsense and you know it.

There are millions of them.

 

[Audie]

There may be cases and reasons why it does not work , if one approaches the scriptures with the wrong attitude, or the desire to prove them wrong, or thinking human wisdom is superior to God's wisdom, etc. I'm not saying you came at it with any issues such as these, only God knows your heart and intentions.

At that rate, there may be somewhere between one
and zero people for whom it does work.

I vote for zero.

 

[InChrist]

At that rate, there may be somewhere between one
and zero people for whom it does work.

I vote for zero.

You can cast your vote for zero, but there have been multitudes of believers through history that it has worked for. Though, I will concede not consistently because sanctification or maturity in Christ is a lifetime process and even the most dedicated believers will fall into their own thinking and will at times, contrary to God's.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

There may be cases and reasons why it does not work , if one approaches the scriptures with the wrong attitude, or the desire to prove them wrong, or thinking human wisdom is superior to God's wisdom, etc. I'm not saying you came at it with any issues such as these, only God knows your heart and intentions.

No True Scotsman Logical Fallacy. That's what you are attempting to use, here.

And thanks for your implied judgement of My Life-- your very lame attempt to back-pedal your harsh judgement notwithstanding.

I see right through you: you are exactly as judgmental as the ... ahem... "teachers" I had to suffer through growing up.

If your god truly "knows" me? WHY DID HE ABSOLUTELY REFUSE TO ACT GODLY?

Your excuse for why your god is NOT convincing does not pass muster.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Yeah, you can cast your vote for zero, but there have been multitudes of believers through history that it has worked for.

And there are a multitude of different, opposing, contradictory versions of True Christianity™ too...

Hmmmmmm..... your god appears to be rather inconsistent here.

 

[InChrist]

No True Scotsman Logical Fallacy. That's what you are attempting to use, here.

And thanks for your implied judgement of My Life-- your very lame attempt to back-pedal your harsh judgement notwithstanding.

I see right through you: you are exactly as judgmental as the ... ahem... "teachers" I had to suffer through growing up.

If your god truly "knows" me? WHY DID HE ABSOLUTELY REFUSE TO ACT GODLY?

Your excuse for why your god is NOT convincing does not pass muster.

I'm not judging you. For one thing, there is no possible way I could since I don't know you personally at all. Even if I did, only God knows your heart and the things which have impacted your life, I don't. I'm sorry that you suffered while growing up under some harsh teachers who it sounds like misrepresented God. All I know is that God is Love and He knows each of us better than we know ourselves and desires a real, loving relationship. I do realize you don't agree.

 

[InChrist]

And there are a multitude of different, opposing, contradictory versions of True Christianity™ too...

Hmmmmmm..... your god appears to be rather inconsistent here.

Or...it is people that are inconsistent.

 

[sojourner]

And there are a multitude of different, opposing, contradictory versions of True Christianity™ too...

Hmmmmmm..... your god appears to be rather inconsistent here.

The way to see it is that Xy is multifaceted. Some of us celebrate the diversity of the facets. Then there are those who, for various reasons, fear the diversity.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Don't be silly. I was just there,

It's a bunch of farmland in the middle of Indiana. It's so rural and country here that there are a number of topics here on RF, such as restaurants and fashion labels, that I'm utterly clueless about because they don't exist here. There is such a lack of things around here that often I have to drive 60 miles north or south to Indianapolis or Fort Wayne for something that isn't around here. Want a cake for a wedding? One town 10 miles north has one such bakery, a town 20 miles south of that has two. Music stores? We don't have options. Electronics stores? Few and far between. About the only things you can "shop around" here with are bars and churches, as those are the only things plentiful enough that if one tells you no you aren't left wondering were to go next.

 

[Audie]

You can cast your vote for zero, but there have been multitudes of believers through history that it has worked for. Though, I will concede not consistently because sanctification or maturity in Christ is a lifetime process and even the most dedicated believers will fall into their own thinking and will at times, contrary to God's.

And of course, you are among that elect multitude?

You can say this, but lo and many would say with equal
conviction that they are special and you are in darkness.

We noticd, btw, the appeal to those who are disinclined to
think for themselves.

"Fall into their own thinking"!

The horror!

Sorry-ah, I will have nothing to do with this
way of (not) thinking.

 

[Audie]

It's a bunch of farmland in the middle of Indiana. It's so rural and country here that there are a number of topics here on RF, such as restaurants and fashion labels, that I'm utterly clueless about because they don't exist here. There is such a lack of things around here that often I have to drive 60 miles north or south to Indianapolis or Fort Wayne for something that isn't around here. Want a cake for a wedding? One town 10 miles north has one such bakery, a town 20 miles south of that has two. Music stores? We don't have options. Electronics stores? Few and far between. About the only things you can "shop around" here with are bars and churches, as those are the only things plentiful enough that if one tells you no you aren't left wondering were to go next.

To each their own! Big city girl here, I would be
so miserable there.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

If we can force someone to 'do' an EVENT that is against their religion

Here's something for you to try: Open a deli, post a sign that says "No Negroes Allowed," and claim it is your religion that black people are the cursed sons of Ham.
Then let us know if they force you to do anything or not based on your religious convictions. But we already know what will happen, because the deli services the public, rather than, say, the private LDS temples who barred black men from priesthood due to this alleged curse. That is basically how the First works.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

To each their own! Big city girl here, I would be
so miserable there.

I'm miserable here myself, and finally getting out (going to Cali) in a couple weeks. I'm so happy to be finally getting out of "Amish Paradise."
ETA: Actually, I ****ing hate it here. Even if I wasn't trans, I'm still "un-Conservative" enough that I can part people like Moses parted the Red Sea.

 

[74x12]

I’ve been involved in human rights issues for the last 15 years. I understand them only too well. You would have us treat this minority group in the same way we’ve historically treated minority groups: by separating them out from the rest of society and refusing them full participation. (Like being able to get married without a hassle from self-righteous bakers and county clerks). Don’t think it’s the same thing? Check out this link:

That guy doesn't speak for me. And you're misrepresenting my position. I'm more of a radical libertarian on these issues. People really should have the right to refuse service for any reason. That doesn't mean the rest of us have to like it or agree with it.

In this case I see the baker's point. His conscience is more important than the other person's feelings. Besides, we're all adults so people could grow up a little bit and not be offended all the time.

The Christian baker is being unfairly targeted because he simply won't do anything against his conscience. We all know liberals just want to make a big deal about this and could care less about the baker even though they pretend to care so much for "minorities". Well this baker is one person against all of you. So I would say that's a minority. And he's not going to change his mind no matter how much people tell him he's being "offensive".

 

[Audie]

I'm miserable here myself, and finally getting out (going to Cali) in a couple weeks. I'm so happy to be finally getting out of "Amish Paradise."
ETA: Actually, I ****ing hate it here. Even if I wasn't trans, I'm still "un-Conservative" enough that I can part people like Moses parted the Red Sea.

I wish you every success in California.

 

[Stevicus]

It's a bunch of farmland in the middle of Indiana. It's so rural and country here that there are a number of topics here on RF, such as restaurants and fashion labels, that I'm utterly clueless about because they don't exist here. There is such a lack of things around here that often I have to drive 60 miles north or south to Indianapolis or Fort Wayne for something that isn't around here. Want a cake for a wedding? One town 10 miles north has one such bakery, a town 20 miles south of that has two. Music stores? We don't have options. Electronics stores? Few and far between. About the only things you can "shop around" here with are bars and churches, as those are the only things plentiful enough that if one tells you no you aren't left wondering were to go next.

Wow, and I thought we had it bad here in Tucson, but at least we have most services. Quite a few independent bakeries, although most of the grocery stores have in-house bakeries if you want to order a cake.

We also have lots of bars and churches.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I wish you every success in California.

That's pretty much my only option. I'm even staying with a couple of people I loathe for a couple months until my room mate can transfer there and we get an apartment together. Even if I have to prostitute myself and push drugs and still go hungry, I'm not coming back to Indiana except to visit and get the rest of my stuff to drive it back in a Uhaul. I'm tired and done with petting cows being the highlight of my average day, because there isn't much else to do.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Quite a few independent bakeries, although most of the grocery stores have in-house bakeries if you want to order a cake.

The chain grocery stores here have those sorts of bakeries (but are total blugh), there are a few donut shops, and I did forget one store in the "20 miles south" town. But things here are so bad that in the "10 miles north" town if you buy clothes they came from either KMart or Dollar General - it doesn't even have a Goodwill, and it's one of the bigger cities in the area.

 

[dianaiad]

It's a bunch of farmland in the middle of Indiana. It's so rural and country here that there are a number of topics here on RF, such as restaurants and fashion labels, that I'm utterly clueless about because they don't exist here. There is such a lack of things around here that often I have to drive 60 miles north or south to Indianapolis or Fort Wayne for something that isn't around here. Want a cake for a wedding? One town 10 miles north has one such bakery, a town 20 miles south of that has two. Music stores? We don't have options. Electronics stores? Few and far between. About the only things you can "shop around" here with are bars and churches, as those are the only things plentiful enough that if one tells you no you aren't left wondering were to go next.

I know nothing about Indiana...for some reason, when I opened the link you posted, it took me to southern Utah, with an emphasis on Cedar Breaks National Monument right around Cedar City.

Now I MIGHT have put it down to, well....I was just there and the thing could have been a reflection of my Google maps search before I went on my trip, except....I didn't do a Google map search before I went. In fact, I had no idea I was going to BE in Cedar City and environs then; I had been headed to Fort Bragg to see the glass beaches there.

...........but there are these fires up around Yosemite and such, so....

So that wasn't it. I wonder what happened?

ANYway, you are describing a typical rural area, where, if one wishes to have a wedding, one generally bakes one's own cake.

I did mine, after all. Decorated it myself, too, AND I made my own dress. (shrug) Or rather, I made my cake and my sister made my dress. Looked darned good, too. The cake tasted wonderful, as well.

I don't suppose a gay couple would have any more trouble doing this than I did...or that straight couples would have in the same situation, where there's only one baker in a territory that big.