Anti-gay baker now takes stand against birthdays for trans people

[Subduction Zone]

Please. Don't. I have had enough condescension for one decade.

Then I suggest that you don't be so condescending yourself. Don't make false attacks against others that you cannot justify and there will be no condescension.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Let me try to explain once again. When a person opens a public business he is not the same as a private citizen. He cannot limit what race of person he sells to. He cannot limit the religion of those that he sells to. He cannot limit the sexuality of those that he sells to. That is not a violation of his "religious beliefs" he made that choice when he opened a public business. As a baker he could have worked for others. If he was talented enough he could have even have told his boss that he would not make a specific cake and his boss might not fire him, but instead find another worker to do that. But when he opened his own business he gave up that ability to discriminate.

I understand as a liberatarian that you do not like those sort of regulations, but they have been shown to be necessary. Perhaps some day man will advance enough so that they are not needed, but as of now, there are still groups that need protection.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

He does not have to. Its artistic expression. Doing so could harm the artist mentally and spiritually.

When you take commissioned orders from the public, you take commissioned orders from the public. Doing things you don't like and don't normally do really helps you grow as an artist. And look at Da Vinci. He wasn't religious but he painted a ton of religious art. That's because in between inventing robots and making maps and building damns, he was commissioned to do specific art subjects. He accepted the money from those wanting idols of superstition and used it to further reason and science.

The very day homosexuality establishes its moral right in society is the beginning collapse of human civilization. When the forced subjugation to lgbt degradation of man is instituted by law. Its corruption will latch out to every nation. The virus will need to be eradicated by fearful allied nations. War begins man dies. Homosexuality is then outlawed after the reconstruction begins. Man forgets history and repeats.

I truly enjoy watching you people squirm, knowing that you are so repulsed by me that I don't have to do anything and already I'm under your skin and in your head. Your hatred is my ammunition to win this culture war. Just questioning your rhetoric would have your own bombs blowing up in your face. I am free, you are shackled in chains you cannot even see.
And I'll be there to poke and kick to make you squirm harder to make the chains squeeze harder, like a snake snuffing the life out its prey. Such bigotry is an ideology that should die, and I'll make sure to hurry it to the front of the line when I can.

 

[Frog]

When you take commissioned orders from the public, you take commissioned orders from the public. Doing things you don't like and don't normally do really helps you grow as an artist. And look at Da Vinci. He wasn't religious but he painted a ton of religious art. That's because in between inventing robots and making maps and building damns, he was commissioned to do specific art subjects. He accepted the money from those wanting idols of superstition and used it to further reason and science.

So you take the totalitarian approach and think because you feel it is right than it must be and must be forced onto somebody unwillingly.

I truly enjoy watching you people squirm, knowing that you are so repulsed by me that I don't have to do anything and already I'm under your skin and in your head. Your hatred is my ammunition to win this culture war. Just questioning your rhetoric would have your own bombs blowing up in your face. I am free, you are shackled in chains you cannot even see.
And I'll be there to poke and kick to make you squirm harder to make the chains squeeze harder, like a snake snuffing the life out its prey. Such bigotry is an ideology that should die, and I'll make sure to hurry it to the front of the line when I can.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

So you take the totalitarian approach and think because you feel it is right than it must be and must be forced onto somebody unwillingly.

I take the approach that for a civilization to exist we must afford each other a base level of civility. This does not include discrimination.

Bang! Bang!

 

[Frog]

I take the approach that for a civilization to exist we must afford each other a base level of civility. This does not include discrimination

And forcing a gay cake on a righteous man is discrimination.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

And forcing a gay cake on a righteous man is discrimination.

Show me a righteous man and I'll show you a liar and a hypocrite.

 

[Frog]

Show me a righteous man and I'll show you a liar and a hypocrite.

This is why we have the constitution and bill of rights. Not every man sees his equal in another. This is the basis of morality and ethics.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Not every man sees his equal in another.

We're all a bunch of apes and the Constitution makes us that way under law.

 

[sojourner]

I'm a woman and a Mormon.

For crying out loud; you don't think I don't know what that's like?

Sheesh.

Then why would you want to have it inflicted upon others?

 

[sojourner]

And forcing a gay cake on a righteous man is discrimination.

Last time I looked under the icing, cakes don’t have sexual identity or orientation, because cakes done procreate sexually. There is no such thing as a “gay cake.” What a foolish thing to say.

And I would point out that the man who discriminates whilst hiding behind his religion is not a paragon of “righteousness.”

 

[Frog]

Last time I looked under the icing, cakes don’t have sexual identity or orientation, because cakes done procreate sexually. There is no such thing as a “gay cake.” What a foolish thing to say.

And I would point out that the man who discriminates whilst hiding behind his religion is not a paragon of “righteousness.”

The ideology is just as damaging as the physical representation of it.

 

[sojourner]

This is why we have the constitution and bill of rights. Not every man sees his equal in another. This is the basis of morality and ethics.
Forcing a gay cake on a religious man is like forcing wee children in their innocence to decapitate baby kittens and drink their blood.

Right, so people can’t get away with bigotry.

Once again, no such thing as a “gay cake.”

 

[Frog]

Everyone has a free will. But the drive to replicate the organisms genome is strong enough to force attraction of the opposite sex. Most individuals are of straight nature because they accept nature.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Everyone has a free will. But the drive to replicate the organisms genome is strong enough to force attraction of the opposite sex. Most individuals are of straight nature because they accept nature.

Free will does not change what one is. And that drive is different in gay people. The same feelings that straight people have for the opposite sex they have for the same sex. Most people are straight just because that is how they were born. A small percentage are not born that way.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You can pull up any LGBT suicide statistic and it will show you they are suffering from a mental disorder.
Suicide among LGBT youth - Wikipedia

Or suffering from fools that are prejudiced against them. You do not know how to apply statistics properly.

EDIT: And your own source agrees with me and disagrees with you:

"] According to LGBT rights organizations as well as scientific research, this is linked to heterocentric cultures and institutionalized homophobia in some cases, including the use of rights and protections for LGBT people as a political wedge issue such as in the contemporary efforts to halt the establish of same-sex marriage.[3] Depression and drug use among LGBT people have been shown to increase significantly after new laws that discriminate against LGBT people are passed.[4] Conversely, a study of nationwide data from across the United States from January 1999 to December 2015 revealed that the establishment of same-sex marriage is associated with a significant reduction in the rate of attempted suicide among children, with the effect being concentrated among children of a minority sexual orientation (LGB youth), resulting in approximately 134,000 fewer children attempting suicide each year in the United States."

 

[sojourner]

The ideology is just as damaging as the physical representation of it.

Of discrimination? Yes, you’re correct. We shouldn’t continue to dehumanize the LGBTQ population.

 

[sojourner]

Everyone has a free will. But the drive to replicate the organisms genome is strong enough to force attraction of the opposite sex. Most individuals are of straight nature because they accept nature.

...and the earth is really flat, and the brains of black people aren’t as large as those of whites, and women are too emotional to be allowed to vote, etc. ad nauseum...

 

[Frog]

Of discrimination? Yes, you’re correct. We shouldn’t continue to dehumanize the LGBTQ population.

The cake. I am going to stop this discussion if you decide to put words in my mouth. Subversion leads you nowhere closer to truth.

 

[columbus]

I honestly believe that bigots should be allowed to be bigots 'out loud,' so we know who they are and can avoid them.

This we agree upon.
The USA is not what it was in 1968. As long as merchants selling such inconsequential items as cakes are clear about their bigotry, I am OK with it sort of.
That doesn't apply to stuff like housing, medicine, or emergency services.
By "clear" I mean that if a merchant won't sell to blacks or gays or whatever they should say so in their promotions, signage, website, everything. Frankly, if anybody has made that more clear than Phillips, I am not sure who it might be.
Tom