Gharib
I want Khilafah back
no it's all correct, the quran was compiled into a book (joted down) by men. before that everyone that knew it, knew it by heart.
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Anti-Islamic Sentiment on RF
- Thread starter Baydwin
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no it's all correct, the quran was compiled into a book (joted down) by men. before that everyone that knew it, knew it by heart.
Autodidact
Intentionally Blank
You should probably say "compiled", "recorded" or "transcribed." To us, "written" implies authorship.
Tiapan
Grumpy Old Man
Autodidact
Intentionally Blank
eselam: A lot of people-who-call-themselves-Muslim are liars? Or self-deluded? Or what?
What percentage of p-w-c-t-M's do you think are True Muslims? Roughly?
What percentage of p-w-c-t-M's do you think are True Muslims? Roughly?
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
He means transcribed by, as given, through Muhammad, through Gabriel, FROM Allah.
Gharib
I want Khilafah back
well if an engineer gave you a plane that was perfect with no problems, would you be able to fly it if you never had any previous knowledge of what a plane is unless you had a manual guide or were given an explanation on how to fly it?
Gharib
I want Khilafah back
i don't know. i can't answer this.
Gharib
I want Khilafah back
ok thats cleared then.
Gharib
I want Khilafah back
yes that is what i mean.
Autodidact
Intentionally Blank
Well, eselam, you claim that there are a lot of p-w-c-t-M's who are really not Muslim, correct?
In that case, whether they are liars or deluded or whatever, their words are not to be trusted, correct? They do not even state their own religion correctly, so clearly they are not reliable, right?
And, failing lifelong study of the qur'an and hadith (and even then) there is no way I can tell which is which, also correct?
Wannabe Yogi
Well-Known Member
I hope you don't mind if I get back to the original question.
If I look back in time there was a little Hindu Bashing going on this forum. In Hind sight this was do to one person posting very Hindu superior comments. This caused the whole problem.
I believe that there is a lot of Muslim Bashing going on. This is due to two things:
- Whether we want to admit it or not there is a war between the west and Islam going on today. We have troops in Muslim countries. There is a lot of anger on both sides. I don't want to get in to who is right or wrong it's just a fact.
-There are people on both sides that post obnoxious comments. If the Muslims want to help the situation they need to end the drive the Jews in to the ocean comments. I tend to side with the palestinians on a lot of issues, but this type post makes my skin crawl. There will just no end to the problems if ethnic cleansing and Genocide of the Jews is commented on in a positive way on this forum. As long as those comments are made or hinted at there will be big fights. I don't see any posts that call for crimes against humanity toward the followers of Islam, the Muslims should do the same. I know its only a few but it matters not. Killing jews or hanging gays is just two more areas that brings out insults to Islam.
Just to let you know I was on a different forum that Hindu extremist call for all muslims to be driven out of India. I responded aggressively to these so call Hindu's to the point that the muslims did not (at times) feel the need to respond to the VHP nuts. It was the only ethical thing I could do. You all need to turn on your hate mongers in the same way. A few of you have but not enough. They must feel as if they have been excluded by all.
How sad is it that I even have to say this.
Lets all have zero tolerance for Ethnic cleansing and genocide.
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.lava
Veteran Member
The very basic point that I think everyone is missing on here, is that the knowledge of Quran and hadeeth is a science, and as every science in this word you should have some basic tools to get into this knowledge, not everyone can come and say "Oh I think this hadeeth means such and such "or this verse means such and such until he had acquired some tools.
For example, take mathematics ; you cant put a proposition until you have acquired some mathematic tools, you should have learnt algebra, analysis and studied a lot of other things.
On the same line, to enter or to discuss Islamic knowledge , one must have learned a lot of stuffs before saying his/her own point of viewThats for a muslim, as for non-muslims then either they should learn or they should start by debating the existence or the non-existence of God IMHO.
And Allah knows best
true, science/Ilim is in Qur'an and it is not a kind of book you should read like a novel or story book. people spend life time studying it. yet there is one more truth. if Muslims knew the science of Qur'an and hadith correctly, not just their idea on this subject would have its peak. in other words, if Muslims have no improvement in other fields of science, there must be something wrong in their understanding of Qur'an and hadith. it is like a picture, they are trying to keep the picture of society the same. what you wear in society became the most important thing. why is that? why are we commanded to go to school to learn though girls can not use head gear in Turkey, while some other Muslim nations do nothing but release their "religious police" to make sure every single women wear headgear? i do understand your sentiment and i do respect anyone who tries to be closer to God by understanding religion itself. we have scholars too. yet i never heard my teacher say one hateful sentence that threatens lives of others. why should killing and dying become ordinary parts of lives of Muslims? why should people fear some other people who's on charge to end their lives instead of losing love of God? is our lives more important than love of God so that people are threatened to lose their lives in case they did not fit the image authorities demand to see?
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Vasilisa Jade
Formerly Saint Tigeress
I have participated in a bit of muslim bashing in the past, so here I will say that I am sorry.
I am not anti-Islam. I do not discriminate in my bashings as it is based on individual ideas and people, but not a whole ethnicity or religion.
There is a dank pizza place in St. Augustine Beach Fl. on A1A called Tonys Pizza.
The owner is muslim. He wears the gown thing, the eyeliner, has the indention on his head from bowing, and he has huge framed verses from the Quaran displayed all over his restaurant.
He is one of the coolest, sweetest business owners I have ever met. I love to go in there and just chat. His food is incredible too. He makes Islam beautiful. It is not always Islams fault that some make it nasty, no more than it is any other religions fault that some people make them nasty.
I am not anti-Islam. I do not discriminate in my bashings as it is based on individual ideas and people, but not a whole ethnicity or religion.
There is a dank pizza place in St. Augustine Beach Fl. on A1A called Tonys Pizza.
The owner is muslim. He wears the gown thing, the eyeliner, has the indention on his head from bowing, and he has huge framed verses from the Quaran displayed all over his restaurant.
He is one of the coolest, sweetest business owners I have ever met. I love to go in there and just chat. His food is incredible too. He makes Islam beautiful. It is not always Islams fault that some make it nasty, no more than it is any other religions fault that some people make them nasty.
Tiapan
Grumpy Old Man
Perhaps this documentary is the type that sways opinion on the topic
Four Corners - 17/05/2010: In a Strange Land
Cheers
Four Corners - 17/05/2010: In a Strange Land
Cheers
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the problem is,lot of the muslims act actually did not represent islam.lot of them did it because of their sentiment.actually,islam is very particular in discipline.so, i think, it maybe weird for some of you guys..we are not allowed to change anything of our religion...we must strictly follow Quran and Hadith(sunnah)..
there are lot of bad things happen around you such as terrorisme are actually not because of the islamic teaching,but because of their own sentiment.
long time ago,christian and jewish lived in peace and harmony under the ruled of islamic caliph in century...
there are lot of bad things happen around you such as terrorisme are actually not because of the islamic teaching,but because of their own sentiment.
long time ago,christian and jewish lived in peace and harmony under the ruled of islamic caliph in century...
Maybe it is just me, but I can't help but feel that something is wrong when people do not represent their own faiths.
That is one of the main problems I have with Abrahamic religions. So much relies on authority figures that I see no point in the religion itself.
To my mind, a religious person may and should do its best to understand the principles of its own religion - and then make them its own. It is only sensible for one to feel responsible for one's own religious life, after all.
Not all Abrahamic religion followers act that way, nobody represent a religious figure for me, i learn directly from the Quran and the Hadith, i refuse the rules i disagree with (as in i see that they are added stuff), and i follow what i agree with.
There are a lot of rules that are widely accepted by a lot of Muslims that i personally refuse. There is nothing wrong with making up your mind on your opinion, after all i am the one who is going to be held accountable for my actions and beliefs. However, it is only bad when you make the wrong decisions, as in it won't be bad because you made your own decisions and didn't follow anyone, it will be bad because you made the wrong one.