Anti semitisam

[Jeremy Taylor]

I'll skip your final statement because "Old Testament Judaism" and "Christianity" are irrelevant to this discussion. You can feel free to think that the specific demoting of Judaism and considering it more egregious than other religions in its rejection is not particular enough to rise to the level of anti-Semitism. I think it is. It isolates Judaism. It focuses on Judaism qua Judaism and it justifies behaviors and thoughts towards Judaism that wouldn't be called for against others. Other groups aren't called "christ rejecters" even though they equally might not accept his role.

Wait. I'm confused. I specifically differentiated between those who find Judaism more egregious for rejecting Christ and those who simply don't think Judaism is now valid but think it once was. I agree that those who think the former, and talk about Jews as Christ rejecters, would seem to be anti-Semitic. I made this pretty clear. I simply reject that those who simply see Judaism as not now true and Jews as now as in the position of any other non-believer, not to be anti-Semitic.

 

[outhouse]

. I think it is. It isolates Judaism

That is a personal problem. Hatred of or discrimination sums up anti Semitism.

Religious doctrine or difference is NOT anti Semitism.


People who are fanatical and severe fundamentalist tend not to be flexible in beliefs and cannot stand change and are often the most intolerant of other beliefs. That goes for all theist and atheist.

Here we judge people by how good a neighbor they are, and many people just don't know how to get along with others.

 

[rosends]

Wait. I'm confused. I specifically differentiated between those who find Judaism more egregious for rejecting Christ and those who simply don't think Judaism is now valid but think it once was. I agree that those who think the former, and talk about Jews as Christ rejecters, would seem to be anti-Semitic. I made this pretty clear. I simply reject that those who simply see Judaism as not now true and Jews as now as in the position of any other non-believer, not to be anti-Semitic.

But that is what supersessionism is and what I have been discussing this whole time.

 

[Jeremy Taylor]

But that is what supersessionism is and what I have been discussing this whole time.

Okay then we have been misunderstanding each other. I did have a feeling you did mean something like this, so I did try to make it clear I wasn't quite sure what you meant. Anyway, I largely agree with you, it seems. I have my doubts a lot of Christian prayers in American schools have much of a connection to supersessionism in this sense, though.

 

[rosends]

Okay then we have been misunderstanding each other. I did have a feeling you did mean something like this, so I did try to make it clear I wasn't quite sure what you meant. Anyway, I largely agree with you, it seems. I have my doubts a lot of Christian prayers in American schools have much of a connection to supersessionism in this sense, though.

Not on their own, no. But when they come along with some of the other attitudes which can be heard in that article http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/08/n...rment-in-towns-schools.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1 they seem to say more than, "we're right." They end up saying, "and you, Jews are wrong."

 

[Curious George]

No.

Where I live there is almost none unless you search for it.

We have no orthodox Jews here so we have very little.


Now I will point out what the orthodox are claiming as stereotypes Jews are guilty of as well. Many Jews look down on orthodox Jews and are as guilty as anyone else.


Its like how some Christians look down on YEC.\

Many theist do not like fanaticism and fundamentalism. And to me that's not a stereotype or bias, its telling the truth.

Wow, so if all the Jewish people you know have witnessed antisemitism first hand, you think the term "little" is more applicable than "too much?"

That is a "little" extreme imho.

 

[Curious George]

When one cannot accept the credible academic position, its known as fanaticism.

What is the credible academic opinion on antisemitism in the last 5 years?

 

[Jeremy Taylor]

Not on their own, no. But when they come along with some of the other attitudes which can be heard in that article http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/08/n...rment-in-towns-schools.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1 they seem to say more than, "we're right." They end up saying, "and you, Jews are wrong."

This is one school district, and is not necessarily the full story. I doubt that when a school tries to say a prayer in an event, it usually has much to do with anti-Semitism.

And I don't accept that saying that Jews and those of other faiths are wrong is bigoted necessarily, though I'm not sure why a school would highlight others being wrong.

 

[Curious George]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...anti-semitic-attacks-western-europe/25807273/

http://www.americanthinker.com/arti...semitism_is_flourishing_across_the_world.html

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...-liberal-colleges-breeding-anti-semitism.html

Not quite sure what acadamia is saying but here is food for thought.

 

[outhouse]

What is the credible academic opinion on antisemitism in the last 5 years?

read wiki

 

[Curious George]

read wiki

15% of American households, "serious problem," on a worldwide increase.

Doesn't seem in line with your earlier response.

 

[Augustus]

We have no orthodox Jews here so we have very little.

How do you know this? Did you ask everyone?

Surprisingly, many Orthodox Jews just look like people, rather than 'Jews'. (Perhaps that's where the reputation for shape-shifting came from)

 

[Kirran]

Well of course much of anti-Semitism comes from ignorance, as all bigotry, but I'd like to again reaffirm the firm distinction between Anti-Zionism and Anti-Semitism. Yes, they probably correlate to some degree, but are nevertheless distinct. I oppose Zionism pretty strongly, due to the ethnic/religious nationalism it represents and the impact forms of it are having upon a great number of people, prominently among them the Palestinian people. But I don't for a second discriminate against Jewish people or have any negative stereotypes against them, Orthodox or no. I will in a second call out someone who says 'The Jews drove people out of Al-Aqsa mosque' or something like that.

So let us please remember there are plenty of people who are not veiling anti-Semitism with anti-Zionism, but who are genuinely anti-Zionist. Although I am really more a post-Zionist myself.