Ants and leaves - the Gift

[A. T. Henderson]

dolphins are like the men of the sea.

In what sense?

They are also the most human looking of the aquatic organisms.

No, this is:

http://f00.inventorspot.com/images/human_faced_fish.jpg

So what about the octopus then, or the crow? Both are highly intelligent, have been observed to use tools and display problem-solving skills. Why don't they look like humans?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I have read some material on these various subjects. I understand the scientific concepts - ...

Not even close.

 

[not nom]

So what about the octopus then, or the crow? Both are highly intelligent, have been observed to use tools and display problem-solving skills. Why don't they look like humans?

when I was in greece as a little kid, I walked up to a motorbike with a plastic bag full of water hanging from the handlebars, peered in, and stared into the eye of the octopus that was in it. and I could have sworn it did see me, looked right into my face, and was kinda asking for help. I felt very guilty for not daring to throwing it back into the sea. I don't remember much from that age, but that I remember. there was a person in that bag. I would bet my life on that, even today. that "cry for help" look my have been imagined, but that was a person. (not that I haven't had that experience confirmed with other animals since then, but that was my first and it impressed me greatly)

yea, verily, I felt closer to that octopus than to the person who put it in the bag. most people would find that weird, but that's fine, I find most people obsolete. having two legs and a wristwatch doesn't mean ****.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

yea, verily, I felt closer to that octopus than to the person who put it in the bag. most people would find that weird, ****.

... more sad.

 

[nnmartin]

GT | Newsroom - How Fire Ants Build Waterproof Rafts
"

The details about the fire ants are interesting and an adequate explanation is given.

However, what about ants that cut down leaves and use them as rafts? That would take a whole extra level of intelligence and co-operation - they couldn't just chop down leaves and use them as rafts by chance.

 

[nnmartin]

In what sense?

No, this is:

http://f00.inventorspot.com/images/human_faced_fish.jpg

So what about the octopus then, or the crow? Both are highly intelligent, have been observed to use tools and display problem-solving skills. Why don't they look like humans?

Dolphins are the Men of the Sea because they are highly intelligent and look similar to people.

Crows may be intelligent for birds but doubt they are as clever as monkeys or dogs.

The human faced fish is quite a good example of animals striving to be men - sometimes they get the facial features correct early on but not the rest of the body.

In fact if you could say that most animals resemble man in some kind of way but they are just further down the evolultionary chain.

 

[not nom]

... more sad.

what's your point, other than cutting up the quote so randomly, lol?

I was angry at the guy who put it in the bag, I felt sad for the octopus. "I felt closer to the octopus than to the person than to put it in the bag" -- seriously, if you don't get it, it's not for you. if you do get it and find it sad, you're sick.

 

[Heathen Hammer]

Dolphins ... look similar to people.

:no::sorry1:

 

[nnmartin]

Nobody made it; we simply observe and codify it so we can understand how it affects everything else.

You may think we only observe it but that is impossible to verify.

We do not have the power to fathom how and why the laws of the Universe came about but some of us have the intuition to connect with it's Force.

 

[not nom]

:no::sorry1:

lies.

the only cue is that one is underwater. otherwise the face is nearly identical, and don't even get me started on the body.

 

[camanintx]

I'm hardly likely to download a whole book on insect behaviour however interesting it may be.

I doubt the book really understands the Force either so it would just be going over old material.

It ain't happening. The root of 'ignorance' is 'ignore.'

Point awarded to Jayhawker Soule.

 

[fossil]

lies.
the only cue is that one is underwater. otherwise the face is nearly identical, and don't even get me started on the body.

Have you only even seen dolphins from the front?

Think you might be getting confused with mermaids.

 

[tumbleweed41]

I'm hardly likely to download a whole book on insect behaviour however interesting it may be.

Check with your local library. Unless you prefer to remain in ignorance.

I doubt the book really understands the Force either so it would just be going over old material.

You can also check out the Star Wars series at the library, it is in the fiction section.

Is it not strange that the more intelligent an animal becomes then the more his shape changes into a man , ie: horse - dog - monkey - ape - human?

That is no coincidence - all animals want to evolve into humans as dictated by the Law of the Universe.

Is it not strange how some will anthropomorphize anything in an effort to boost their beliefs.

 

[not nom]

Have you only even seen dolphins from the front?

Think you might be getting confused with mermaids.

quick!! what is the human, what the dolphin?`

I rest my case.

 

[not nom]

Impossible for this to have been passed down through the genetic code - how could you give a chemical signal that tells an ant that if sometime in its life it were to encounter an unpassable channel of water it is to make a raft!

why not?

 

[Heathen Hammer]

You may think we only observe it but that is impossible to verify.

We do not have the power to fathom how and why the laws of the Universe came about but some of us have the intuition to connect with it's Force.

Perfection fallacy

And you aren't the one with the intuition here. You're simply flat out wrong, and you can't even deal with it.

 

[A. T. Henderson]

Dolphins are the Men of the Sea because they are highly intelligent and look similar to people.

In what sense do they look anything like people?

Crows may be intelligent for birds but doubt they are as clever as monkeys or dogs.

They are considerably more intelligent than any dog, and significantly more than most monkeys. Their problem-solving level of intelligence is nearly unparalleled in the animal kingdom.

The human faced fish is quite a good example of animals striving to be men - sometimes they get the facial features correct early on but not the rest of the body.

Actually, it's a deliberately bred variety of Koi. The animal made no effort to look like a person, a person made considerable effort to make it look like one.

In fact if you could say that most animals resemble man in some kind of way but they are just further down the evolultionary chain.

Nonsense. The only animals which look anything like us are primates, and that's only because we share ancestry. Your attempts at anthropocentrism are feeble, to say the least.

And I thought you didn't believe in evolution?

 

[not nom]

In what sense do they look anything like people?

 

[nnmartin]

^the dolphin there resembles Ewen McGregor slightly!


If a code can be passed down through DNA to tell an ant what to do when it gets stuck at water then the ant may be way more intelligent than we believe. What else is passed down its DNA?

It is reasonble to assume that within the DNA is a section telling the cells to mutate towards complexity - not just by random natural selection.

Ant to man is the goal , it's unlikely to witness a man turning into an ant though.

 

[nnmartin]

Nonsense. The only animals which look anything like us are primates, and that's only because we share ancestry. Your attempts at anthropocentrism are feeble, to say the least.

Most land based animals with blood do look like us.

they mainly have four limbs, head and body - that's quite similar really.

I don't know of too many animals that look like giant slugs with 17 odd shaped irregular pieces sticking out.

Man is the final destination but species branch off from it as they evolve and get stuck in their place until they die - then they get another chance.

I'm not saying man is the best but why don't we have any Avatar like creatures running around, or big green men with 7 heads and arms?