Any Maverick Mathematicians out there?

[Native]

Me? Haha, I'd love to but I lack the necessary skills. It would be like turning up to a seige armed with a pointy stick.

My OP wasn´t and isn´t about who don´t like to participate but about those who will and can according to the given premisis.

 

[Native]

Jaiket said: ↑
Me? Haha, I'd love to but I lack the necessary skills. It would be like turning up to a seige armed with a pointy stick.

At least your stick is pointy.

Which cannot be said about your logical understanding as you outright reject this skill

 

[Native]

I have a basic college level in Math, with advance application knowledge in Statistics, probability, chaos theory, and randomness.

Thanks but I´m not looking for *statistic randomness* but for real facts.

As far as the off the wall weird dark side of math and cosmology I recommend Worlds in Collision by Immanuel Velikovsky

Are you sure you got it all right? As far as I know he didn´t go specifically into math´s as his ideas were based on misunderstood mythology. IMO his best contribution was his Cosmos without Gravitation - which of course is rejeced by *lesser minds* who think *its all gravity* out there.

 

[shunyadragon]

Native said: ↑
BTW
I´ve met persons here at RF who gives the impression of being experts in mathematics, but I don´t expect most of them to qualifiy as *Maverick Mathematicians* at all

I know enough to use math to disqualify what orthodox mathematicians think they know of math in cosmological science.

In this case 'know enough to use math' is not sufficient to pass judgement on 'orthodox mathematicians, Math is simply the tool box of science, technology and every day life. To be legitimate math it must follow the logical formation of deductive systems of math theorems and 'sets of axioms' that make up the theory. The logic process results in 'proofs' that are consistent and predictable.

In this process science reaches in the tool box to solve problems and falsify theories and hypothesis and today the computers do the rest. For example using math satellites can travel millions of miles to intercept a asteroid not much larger than a large house

Can you be specific on your objections based on your knowledge.

 

[Polymath257]

Jaiket said: ↑
Me? Haha, I'd love to but I lack the necessary skills. It would be like turning up to a seige armed with a pointy stick.

Which cannot be said about your logical understanding as you outright reject this skill

Not at all. I quite approve of alternative views in math that give new insights. I also approve of alternative views in science that agree with actual observations and make predictions of new observations.

 

[Polymath257]

Thanks but I´m not looking for *statistic randomness* but for real facts.

Are you sure you got it all right? As far as I know he didn´t go specifically into math´s as his ideas were based on misunderstood mythology. IMO his best contribution was his Cosmos without Gravitation - which of course is rejeced by *lesser minds* who think *its all gravity* out there.

A view of this 'work':

In 1947, Velikovsky sent Harvard astronomer Harlow Shapley a copy of “Cosmos Without Gravitation”[3] which Shapley later mentioned to Ted Thackrey of The Compass, that he had “filed it away with the other crank literature that comes to a scientific laboratory.”

ref: Cosmos Without Gravitation | The Velikovsky Encyclopedia

 

[Native]

Revoltingest said: ↑
At least he has a stick.
I've long forgotten what little math I knew.

You qualify!

Regarding the last sentense you do too

 

[Yerda]

My OP wasn´t and isn´t about who don´t like to participate but about those who will and can according to the given premisis.

What are the given premises?

 

[Native]

A view of this 'work':

In 1947, Velikovsky sent Harvard astronomer Harlow Shapley a copy of “Cosmos Without Gravitation”[3] which Shapley later mentioned to Ted Thackrey of The Compass, that he had “filed it away with the other crank literature that comes to a scientific laboratory.”
ref: Cosmos Without Gravitation | The Velikovsky Encyclopedia

You don´t have to refer anything *Velikovskian* to me. Of course *cranks* files away away anything they don´t have been indoctrinated with in Universities of old knowledge.

 

[Native]

What are the given premises?

If you expect me to learn you to read, you´re wrong. Try again to read the OP.

 

[Native]

Not at all. I quite approve of alternative views in math that give new insights. I also approve of alternative views in science that agree with actual observations and make predictions of new observations.

Well predict then what happens in a singularity - and what happen with your math - or what the next step in a Big Bang will be.

You don´t impress me at all with your *delusive number acrobatics*

 

[Polymath257]

Well predict then what happens in a singularity - and what happen with your math - or what the next step in a Big Bang will be.

You don´t impress me at all with your *delusive number acrobatics*

Not required. What *is* required is *some* prediction that agrees with observation. And *that* we have in abundance.

If my use of numbers doesn't impress, give an alternative that works.

 

[Native]

In this process science reaches in the tool box to solve problems and falsify theories and hypothesis and today the computers do the rest. For example using math satellites can travel millions of miles to intercept a asteroid not much larger than a large house

My purpose with this OP was/is not to discuss modern interventions but to go to the roots of philosophical cosmological knowledge.

Can you be specific on your objections based on your knowledge.

You can read a hint of this in my profile signature Otherwise it was my intention to get Maverick contacts in order later to have a closed forum for discussions.

 

[epronovost]

A view of this 'work':

In 1947, Velikovsky sent Harvard astronomer Harlow Shapley a copy of “Cosmos Without Gravitation”[3] which Shapley later mentioned to Ted Thackrey of The Compass, that he had “filed it away with the other crank literature that comes to a scientific laboratory.”

ref: Cosmos Without Gravitation | The Velikovsky Encyclopedia

As an historian I can say that Velikovsky work can be described, even under the most generous terms, as complete fabrication and at its worst downright fraud. I'm not inclined to generosity.

 

[Yerda]

If you expect me to learn you to read, you´re wrong. Try again to read the OP.

Oh, I see.

Well, good luck with your revolution. Maybe one day you'll be swimming in prizes and I'll be able to tell people, "hey that guy was once lowkey rude to me on a religious message board while he was formulating these Nobel winning ideas" and they'll be like, "wow, can you make love to me?"

 

[Native]

As an historian I can say that Velikovsky work can be described, even under the most generous terms, as complete fabrication and at its worst downright fraud. I'm not inclined to generosity.

No problem regarding your last sentense. *Generosity* isn´t your best quality anyway
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[Native]

This OP of *Maverick Mathematician* thread has evolved to be the the pure farce where *black boxes thinkers* have taken over and simply ignoring the very OP.

And it all becomes a pathetical circus when even RF Staff Members are ignoring the OP and deriving everyting with irrelevant nonsense.

Don´t RF have any ordinary Forum rules to follow?

 

[shunyadragon]

Thanks but I´m not looking for *statistic randomness* but for real facts.

Math is not 'real facts,' but the tools for science. Statistics, probability, chaos theory and randomness are 'tools' for science like all math.

Are you sure you got it all right? As far as I know he didn´t go specifically into math´s as his ideas were based on misunderstood mythology. IMO his best contribution was his Cosmos without Gravitation - which of course is rejeced by *lesser minds* who think *its all gravity* out there.

You asked 'outside the box' of 'orthodox' math.

 

[robocop (actually)]

Hello All,

I wonder if all astrophysical and cosmological mathematicians just are able to work with consensus approaches in these scientific areas - or if someone also have the guts and the intellectual and logical skills to think outside the squared box of the consensus society.

If so, I´ll like to make such contacts for a common discussion of alternative perceptions of it all.

Anyone interested in this *Maverick Project* can apply here and we´ll find a way to discuss *in private* so to speak.

Remember: Only gutsy Maverick Mathematicians are Welcome.

Regards
Native.

I have to say yes I am one and you can read some of my books about it by looking at my profile!

 

[Native]

I have to say yes I am one and you can read some of my books about it by looking at my profile!

I´ve skimmed your profile link and I´ve just a question of your mathematical skills in astrophysics and cosmology?